Restoration, 22' Mac
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I know about acrylic house paint. That is what melted the foam in The Toy. Technically I think I used spray paint for the experiment. I tried it as an experiment. (See blog) I know about oil based house paint. Where do you get water based house paint or is it the same as acrylic and I just do not know about it? What comes to my mind is water colors like you get kids in those little trays and I'm pretty sure that's not what you are talking about. Tempora ( finger paint like in kindergarten ) comes to mind. The only other idea i have is that white elastic roofing stuff and at 70 bucks for 5 gals it ain't priced all that bad but it is expensive to use for covering foam. ( although I have to admit the more I think about it, it does have its appeal, what with being water proof)
Educate me please. :bang:
OK here is where all that stuff NO ONE ever thought to teach girls back when I was growing up shows up really well.
I know about acrylic house paint. That is what melted the foam in The Toy. Technically I think I used spray paint for the experiment. I tried it as an experiment. (See blog) I know about oil based house paint. Where do you get water based house paint or is it the same as acrylic and I just do not know about it? What comes to my mind is water colors like you get kids in those little trays and I'm pretty sure that's not what you are talking about. Tempora ( finger paint like in kindergarten ) comes to mind. The only other idea i have is that white elastic roofing stuff and at 70 bucks for 5 gals it ain't priced all that bad but it is expensive to use for covering foam. ( although I have to admit the more I think about it, it does have its appeal, what with being water proof)
Educate me please. :bang:
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Even cheaper, ask HD about their OOPS section in paint. It's usually colors that didn't quite match what the customer wanted, so they sell it at a discount.
Thanks
Ta=hanks when i get that far I'll check it out. walmart as well. I hear they do discounts for oops .
Styrofoam is made from styrene, a molecule with a benzene ring and an ethylene substituent.
It will dissolve in any non-polar solvent (gasoline, tolunene etc.) However it will not dissolve in polar solvents (water, acetone, alchohols). So stay away form "oil" based paint, or spray paints that contain tolune as the compressed gas.
Any exterior grade paint that has "CLEANS UP WITH WATER" on the description someplace should work well on Styrofoam.
I read in your blog that you were contemplating using spray foam to add more flotation, this was descussed at length some years ago.
Some highlights----
A boat with spray foam sat very low in the water because foam absorbed water (likea sponge) over time and was hard to remove foam.
One cure to keep the foam from sticking and holding water was to stick a plastic bag in the area and then fill the bag with foam.
My foam blocks are just small enuff to fit in the hatches and after removing I had a hell of a time reinstalling them all, yes it is that stuffed.
My 25 has the foam in just the front and back, the the port and stbd. sides are empty for storage.
Some highlights----
A boat with spray foam sat very low in the water because foam absorbed water (likea sponge) over time and was hard to remove foam.
One cure to keep the foam from sticking and holding water was to stick a plastic bag in the area and then fill the bag with foam.
My foam blocks are just small enuff to fit in the hatches and after removing I had a hell of a time reinstalling them all, yes it is that stuffed.
My 25 has the foam in just the front and back, the the port and stbd. sides are empty for storage.
Now that the paint hijack is over...
I inspected my sails yesterday, for the first time since buying the boat. I find the cloth in good condition, the rope at the mainsail luff to be good, and all stitching to be intact and without wear. The bronze grommets are a bit green, as are the hank fittings for the jib, but I think a little elbow grease, a stiff brush, and maybe some brass cleaner will do the trick well enough. Maybe even a spot of car wax, to inhibit further corrosion.
The jib sheets are still on the sail, and while slightly fuzzy and obviously somewhat aged, I think they'll do for a season. No worse than what I've seen on some rental boats - no nicks in the braid, or stiff spots, or chafing in any one section.
I inspected my sails yesterday, for the first time since buying the boat. I find the cloth in good condition, the rope at the mainsail luff to be good, and all stitching to be intact and without wear. The bronze grommets are a bit green, as are the hank fittings for the jib, but I think a little elbow grease, a stiff brush, and maybe some brass cleaner will do the trick well enough. Maybe even a spot of car wax, to inhibit further corrosion.
The jib sheets are still on the sail, and while slightly fuzzy and obviously somewhat aged, I think they'll do for a season. No worse than what I've seen on some rental boats - no nicks in the braid, or stiff spots, or chafing in any one section.
Finally, an update.
It's been so cold most of the time, I hesitated to send boys down into a frozen bilge. With a couple weeks of favorable weather now, and a forecast of a clear cool day, I sent out a call for volunteers to work on our little craft.
Here's what we pulled out, for the dump:
Pulled all the old cushions, rotted out trim, the "galley" and upright cooler, old tilt-bowl porta-pot, and some random lumber that was tucked away in the starboard quarter... and what was left of the rusted out battery mount. Full pickup load.
A lot of scrubbing was involved, to get the funk of nearly forty years out of there:
Next up is a complete re-wire. There's lamp wire, crimp connectors, and corroded wire all over the place. I'll tear everything out, solder and shrink-wrap all the connections and put up better anchors to bring it up to code. I think I'm going to install some LED interior lighting, so we have plentiful house lights for overnights with minimal draw... one over the dining table, one where the new galley will stand (old head location forward of the starboard seats), one for the V-berth, one for the portside quarterberth, and maybe even something for the cockpit.
After that, I need to cut new storage hatches along the portside bench, so I can use some of that abundant space under there. I'll install hinged lids, and make sure everything's supported well for sleeping or sitting there.
Then we'll repaint the interior with white latex exterior paint, semigloss. That ought to brighten it a bit. Install some new trim, replace the dinette wood with new boards, and build a galley cabinet. Get new foam and sew covers for everything.
and, and, and... the list seems endless. But that ought to get us to a strong usable point.
Here's an interior panorama in its current state:
It's been so cold most of the time, I hesitated to send boys down into a frozen bilge. With a couple weeks of favorable weather now, and a forecast of a clear cool day, I sent out a call for volunteers to work on our little craft.
Here's what we pulled out, for the dump:
Pulled all the old cushions, rotted out trim, the "galley" and upright cooler, old tilt-bowl porta-pot, and some random lumber that was tucked away in the starboard quarter... and what was left of the rusted out battery mount. Full pickup load.
A lot of scrubbing was involved, to get the funk of nearly forty years out of there:
Next up is a complete re-wire. There's lamp wire, crimp connectors, and corroded wire all over the place. I'll tear everything out, solder and shrink-wrap all the connections and put up better anchors to bring it up to code. I think I'm going to install some LED interior lighting, so we have plentiful house lights for overnights with minimal draw... one over the dining table, one where the new galley will stand (old head location forward of the starboard seats), one for the V-berth, one for the portside quarterberth, and maybe even something for the cockpit.
After that, I need to cut new storage hatches along the portside bench, so I can use some of that abundant space under there. I'll install hinged lids, and make sure everything's supported well for sleeping or sitting there.
Then we'll repaint the interior with white latex exterior paint, semigloss. That ought to brighten it a bit. Install some new trim, replace the dinette wood with new boards, and build a galley cabinet. Get new foam and sew covers for everything.
and, and, and... the list seems endless. But that ought to get us to a strong usable point.
Here's an interior panorama in its current state:
One thing I noticed today, that bothered me, was this:
The boom-end. The bolt holding the hardware on is neither holding it flush with the end, nor is it fixed - it rotates freely, but without getting tighter or looser, as if there's a nylock inside, but not fixed down at the proper tension.
I'm unsure if this is safe and proper, or within my power to fix... has anyone else experienced this?
The boom-end. The bolt holding the hardware on is neither holding it flush with the end, nor is it fixed - it rotates freely, but without getting tighter or looser, as if there's a nylock inside, but not fixed down at the proper tension.
I'm unsure if this is safe and proper, or within my power to fix... has anyone else experienced this?
Does not Change a Thing
As titled, what I am about to say does not change a thing but I have the same identical boat model. I was told it's a variation of the Venture 222. That means it has extra options not in the regular V 222. A very nice boat indeed, if I do say so my self.
Here is to a classic lady. Long may she sail
As titled, what I am about to say does not change a thing but I have the same identical boat model. I was told it's a variation of the Venture 222. That means it has extra options not in the regular V 222. A very nice boat indeed, if I do say so my self.
Here is to a classic lady. Long may she sail
The tab on the end of the boom is identical to my '76 V25. I also thought it was a bit loose, but it needs to be able to swivel around freely in order to work properly. So... I think that's how it's supposed to be (but I could be wrong - I've never noticed this on anyone else's Mac (I've never looked)).
I get the "needs to swivel freely" part, but the fact that there's -so- much play in that bolt still concerns me. It's not rigid to the axis of the boom, either - there's about 10-20* of off-center play on that bolt as well as the free spinning issue. I would think in a part that can experience such shock loads, this would be a bad idea.
But barring perfect knowledge of the design, it's impossible for me to say.
And btw, it's a '72 V22, non-poptop, hull number 637 I think, if I read the holes right yesterday. It was an awkward stretch.
But barring perfect knowledge of the design, it's impossible for me to say.
And btw, it's a '72 V22, non-poptop, hull number 637 I think, if I read the holes right yesterday. It was an awkward stretch.
If ya just gotta then drill out the rivits and pull the plug and tighten the nut a little but only after you have sailed the boat for a bit to be sure you need to.
Hey Smithy
Nice looking boat. I notice your workers cleaning up inside. If you have a pressure washer, don't be afraid to go in with the pressure washer in one hand and the shop Vac in the other. That is how I got my walls nice and clean again. Or rent one if you don't own one.
Also you can get the moldy stink out using moth balls (once you get her clean). The chemical in wood preservative (the green stuff you buy at Lowes) is paradichloronaphthalene. Moth balls are simply naphthalene. The absence of the two chlorines makes naphthalene more volatile. BUT it does a great job of killing mold spores. And the volatile nature of naphthalene allows it to get every place in your boat. Lay out a box of moth balls on a tray or in a bucket and seal up the boat. Let it stand a week or two and you will have a LOT LESS trouble with mold all season long.
Nice looking boat. I notice your workers cleaning up inside. If you have a pressure washer, don't be afraid to go in with the pressure washer in one hand and the shop Vac in the other. That is how I got my walls nice and clean again. Or rent one if you don't own one.
Also you can get the moldy stink out using moth balls (once you get her clean). The chemical in wood preservative (the green stuff you buy at Lowes) is paradichloronaphthalene. Moth balls are simply naphthalene. The absence of the two chlorines makes naphthalene more volatile. BUT it does a great job of killing mold spores. And the volatile nature of naphthalene allows it to get every place in your boat. Lay out a box of moth balls on a tray or in a bucket and seal up the boat. Let it stand a week or two and you will have a LOT LESS trouble with mold all season long.
boom end
My '72 V222 doesn't have quite that much play at the end cap tangs. Also, mine has two (one for the mainsheet block, one for hanging the boom on the backstay) tangs.
Drilling out the rivets is easy, and you can use stainless steel self-tapping screws from any hardware store to reattach the cap. If you leave it just the way it is, though, you'll probably be fine.
My '72 V222 doesn't have quite that much play at the end cap tangs. Also, mine has two (one for the mainsheet block, one for hanging the boom on the backstay) tangs.
Drilling out the rivets is easy, and you can use stainless steel self-tapping screws from any hardware store to reattach the cap. If you leave it just the way it is, though, you'll probably be fine.
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