O'day 39 project boat
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That's cold jibes. Orange formica. That color would disturb Hellen Keller. Hey Todd, Gibco won't sell direct to an individual. I used Minicraft as they had the best price for the sheet I bought. Glad everything worked out well with Express Composites. I thought you would enjoy working with them.
Joe, I have not heard anything from Mas/jamestown/etc for replacement of the wrong pattern. I'm guessing they were out of the 301 pattern so fthey sent me something close. I'm out of town again next week so I expect the correct pattern when I return. If nothing shows up, I'm thinking of going with your process and make my own pattern.
I need to make at least two patterns. one for the non-skid on deck and one for interior floor which is the same 3 strand patetern your deck has. What do you think?Is it worth it? the patterns are about $50
I need to make at least two patterns. one for the non-skid on deck and one for interior floor which is the same 3 strand patetern your deck has. What do you think?Is it worth it? the patterns are about $50
No, no, no! If you need the 3 stranded stuff I have that 4 X 6 sheet you saw. I can whip you up an RTV urethane mold if you want to go that route. Let me know. I also have some ready to go pieces in assorted sizes.
I've got just one soft spot in the galley floor that looks like it was caused from dropping something on the floor. A small patch 6" x6" of the three strand weave would work well. I'll get back to you next week with an exact measurement. Thanks much!!
Joe caught me off course taking a mid winter break from the boat project. Thanks Joe, I'm back on track hope to never cir-cum to air void of Styrene fumes.
However, I was not completely away from the project while in Hawaii. I did walk the marinas near Pearl harbor. The docks are set up with public access to each dock with private gates blocking access to each finger between the boats. Not too secure but made it easy to meet the owners. I was hoping to find a few people that sailed to the islands but most boats were intended for coastal sailing, not blue water. I saw many O'days. I believe a few were 28 one maybe 32, 2 37 and one 39. All but one had the deck painted a lighter beige or white. This has me thinking I may do the same since my eventual goal is the Bahamas.
I've had trouble ordering the flex mold patten from Mas epoxies. First they sent the wrong pattern, then sent the one I ordered and selected from their selection guide. This didn't fit either. A word of warning. Call Mass first and request a sample prior to ordering since they consider this a special order and will not accept a return. They say they may make an exception in this case.
See photo . The deck is the darker colored pattern. the lighter is the flex mold pattern #301
Please note that I now have a new phone so pictures will be much clearer.
However, I was not completely away from the project while in Hawaii. I did walk the marinas near Pearl harbor. The docks are set up with public access to each dock with private gates blocking access to each finger between the boats. Not too secure but made it easy to meet the owners. I was hoping to find a few people that sailed to the islands but most boats were intended for coastal sailing, not blue water. I saw many O'days. I believe a few were 28 one maybe 32, 2 37 and one 39. All but one had the deck painted a lighter beige or white. This has me thinking I may do the same since my eventual goal is the Bahamas.
I've had trouble ordering the flex mold patten from Mas epoxies. First they sent the wrong pattern, then sent the one I ordered and selected from their selection guide. This didn't fit either. A word of warning. Call Mass first and request a sample prior to ordering since they consider this a special order and will not accept a return. They say they may make an exception in this case.
See photo . The deck is the darker colored pattern. the lighter is the flex mold pattern #301
Please note that I now have a new phone so pictures will be much clearer.
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RTV mold
Joe, I'll take you up on the RTV mold for the galley floor. Lets wait until spring when the weather warms.
It looks like I'll need to make RTV molds of my deck since sounds like it is not available from Mas.
THANKS!!!!
Joe, I'll take you up on the RTV mold for the galley floor. Lets wait until spring when the weather warms.
It looks like I'll need to make RTV molds of my deck since sounds like it is not available from Mas.
THANKS!!!!
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Let me know when you are ready. I have plenty of the stuff laying around. I will be redoing the starboard aft cabin top one more time come warm weather. Damn my perfectionism. I also want to practice some patchwork. I'll be making a section off of YOT to prcatice on before I go for the last few spots I'd like just a bit better.
I'll use Joes mold for my galley floor
I looks like Mas will not come up with the correct non-skid pattern for my deck so I will use Joe's process and make my own mold using 75-60 rtv liquid urithane.
Joe, I see many sources. did you see one you liked best?
I looks like Mas will not come up with the correct non-skid pattern for my deck so I will use Joe's process and make my own mold using 75-60 rtv liquid urithane.
Joe, I see many sources. did you see one you liked best?
Hi Todd. I used the 74-30 RTV which is softer. I purchased some from Poly Tek Development in Pennsylvania and my preferred supplier is U.S. Composites out of Florida. Same stuff but I do like the jugs from US Composites for pouring. Poly Tek comes in buckets which are harder to pour. The cost is less from US but higher shipping because of the distance and higher cost from Poly Tek. Poly Tek has the better tech support as they are the manufacturer.
Mas epoxies came through for me!
Lesson learned- before you order flex mold patterns, ALWAYS ask Mas for a small samples which they gladly send at no cost.
So now I have the correct flex mold and a pint of 74-30 RTV and a can of mold release. Joe, it's yours if you ever need it.
here is a link to the Mas video showing the process.
http://www.masepoxies.com//Videos/NON_SKID_REPAIR.html
I will spend the last month of winter perfecting the process on parts I took off the boat so I can be at full speed when the weather hits 65 deg.
In the mean time see photo below of Wisconsin sunbathing. Ice boat season is in full swing.
So I order the 74-30 RTV which US composites shipped immediately, returned the two Flex mold patterns to Mas epoxy. The Next day I recieve two samples from Gibco Flex-mold requested by Mas. These two patterns do not show up on the Mas listing. One was Beneteau Pyramid the other Jeanneau Pyramid. You can guess which was the correct pattern. Jeanneau for the non (O'day historians)
Lesson learned- before you order flex mold patterns, ALWAYS ask Mas for a small samples which they gladly send at no cost.
So now I have the correct flex mold and a pint of 74-30 RTV and a can of mold release. Joe, it's yours if you ever need it.
here is a link to the Mas video showing the process.
http://www.masepoxies.com//Videos/NON_SKID_REPAIR.html
I will spend the last month of winter perfecting the process on parts I took off the boat so I can be at full speed when the weather hits 65 deg.
In the mean time see photo below of Wisconsin sunbathing. Ice boat season is in full swing.
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Deck crack repair and sealing deck hardware
Im well into the deck crack and ding repair in my garage. Using a general epoxy to fill big nicks and gouges prior to usinfg the flex mold patern to mold the non-skid.
First thing I noticed was how nice the gelcoat (both smooth and non skid) looked after simply cleaning it. I used comet with a power scrub brush on the non skid and 3m pad on the smooth gelcoat followed by a rinse and solvent wipe. The stuff looks like new with the exception of the gloss. Polyglow will handle that. I'm very confident that this is going to come out looking like new.
I noticed many ways not to seal deck hardware as I removed items. I'm adding this link dpailla posted on Bomvang's thread. It's great info. I will be following this advise even though I'm truly torn between this method and Casy's method of forming a gasket and then tightening the rest of the way. I think either would be better than what I am seeing. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/member.php?u=56318
The following is a trail for the search engines to guide anyone looking for the correct flex-mold pattern for an O'day 39.
The correct flex mold pattern for a 1983 O'day 39 is GFJ 404. This is a Jeanneau pattern with was used on the early O'day 39's. My hull number was 54 so I'm guessing this pattern will likely fit all early hull numbers. Again flex mold pattern from Mas Epoxy for an O'day 39 is GFJ 404.
Use this for repairing the nonskid on a O'day 39. Non-skid patterns for O'day 39 model years 1980,1981,1982,1983, 1984 and possibly later. The pattern is called a Jeanneau pyramid. Contact Mas Epoxy prior to ordering and request a free sample. They will not accept returns if you order the wrong pattern.
Im well into the deck crack and ding repair in my garage. Using a general epoxy to fill big nicks and gouges prior to usinfg the flex mold patern to mold the non-skid.
First thing I noticed was how nice the gelcoat (both smooth and non skid) looked after simply cleaning it. I used comet with a power scrub brush on the non skid and 3m pad on the smooth gelcoat followed by a rinse and solvent wipe. The stuff looks like new with the exception of the gloss. Polyglow will handle that. I'm very confident that this is going to come out looking like new.
I noticed many ways not to seal deck hardware as I removed items. I'm adding this link dpailla posted on Bomvang's thread. It's great info. I will be following this advise even though I'm truly torn between this method and Casy's method of forming a gasket and then tightening the rest of the way. I think either would be better than what I am seeing. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/member.php?u=56318
The following is a trail for the search engines to guide anyone looking for the correct flex-mold pattern for an O'day 39.
The correct flex mold pattern for a 1983 O'day 39 is GFJ 404. This is a Jeanneau pattern with was used on the early O'day 39's. My hull number was 54 so I'm guessing this pattern will likely fit all early hull numbers. Again flex mold pattern from Mas Epoxy for an O'day 39 is GFJ 404.
Use this for repairing the nonskid on a O'day 39. Non-skid patterns for O'day 39 model years 1980,1981,1982,1983, 1984 and possibly later. The pattern is called a Jeanneau pyramid. Contact Mas Epoxy prior to ordering and request a free sample. They will not accept returns if you order the wrong pattern.
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I looked at the MAS Epoxies video of the non-skid gelcoat repair. It can't be that easy, can it? I'd like to hear how it goes for you because I have some dings in the non skid that I'd like to fix, but this kind of stuff is something I've not tried before.
Great stuff- between you and Joe, it's like an online boat refurbing college.
Great stuff- between you and Joe, it's like an online boat refurbing college.
Hey Indy. I see you're sporting the new Facebook's O'Day Group's burgee. Looks good. I had a longsleeve white shirt made with the image over the breast pocket.
I was looking for burgees because my kids want to hoist flags on the boat this summer and luckily Roy was making some. They are really nice- I hope maybe my avatar will get people interested to buy out his inventory.
Indysailor,
Yes, it's easy but only because someone figured it out. As far a non-skid repair, here are a few VERY important items:
- Stiffen the structure under any cracks or it will likely crack again.
- Waxing the entire area is critical. Skip the wax step and you have a disaster on your hands.
- Don't grind too much. Remove the gelcoat only to the base of the pattern. Open any cracks that go deeper and fill with Epoxy (up to the base of the pattern) prior to molding new pattern.
- Color match is critical. Have the supplier do it and be very picky about it.
Thanks for that info. A question about grinding.
Most of my dings look like somebody whacked the deck with something, so the gelcoat is gone and I can see the fiberglass underneath, very much like the one in the MAS Epoxy video you posted. But I can't figure the grinding part on the video- is it to just create a fared surface for the gelcoat to adhere to? I see how the waxing works- apply it, then grind, which leaves only the spot you've ground for adherence. I'm just not clear on how much to grind away laterally.
Most of my dings look like somebody whacked the deck with something, so the gelcoat is gone and I can see the fiberglass underneath, very much like the one in the MAS Epoxy video you posted. But I can't figure the grinding part on the video- is it to just create a fared surface for the gelcoat to adhere to? I see how the waxing works- apply it, then grind, which leaves only the spot you've ground for adherence. I'm just not clear on how much to grind away laterally.
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