eye candy
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- Oct 22, 2014
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America’s Cup. 18 months away. Two countries have launched new boats.
The USA
And New Zealand
These boats are radical new AC75 foiling designed mono hulls. Capable of speeds - 50 knots in 25 knot breezes.
The USA
And New Zealand
These boats are radical new AC75 foiling designed mono hulls. Capable of speeds - 50 knots in 25 knot breezes.
I just can't see the America's Cup multihulls and foilers as eye candy. Meh. The old 12 metre boats ok.. But those multihulls and foilers look like insects and are ugly imo.
Fast yes. Fun.. I don't doubt. Atrractive.. Nope
Fast yes. Fun.. I don't doubt. Atrractive.. Nope
As my Daddy always said, "beauty is in the eye of the beer holder"...
Beautiful to me from a technological standpoint. Taking wind power and turning into that much speed for a vessel that size is a beautiful bit of engineering.
Beautiful to me from a technological standpoint. Taking wind power and turning into that much speed for a vessel that size is a beautiful bit of engineering.
Cultural context, historically, determines the social concepts of beauty and they change most readily with success.
For example: the Eiffel Tower was found very offensive by Parisians when it was first constructed for the Paris World's Fair and now it is a symbol of Paris. Jackson Pollock, Pablo Picasso, Miro, even Bernini
outraged their patrons and the public.
The Futurist movement brought forth beauty out of function and the popular art movement of Deconstructionism, which brings us back to Paris for the Pompidou
Then, a whole group of architects like Frank Gehry
. All have become more mainstream and have defined modern concept of beauty through their egregious works.
Not considering the new AC boats "eye candy" isn't wrong. You can't be wrong about your concept of beauty. I am just suggesting that your current concept of beauty will not stand as an absolute, neither for you nor, most definitely, for the public at large.
I find this kind of cultural morphology very exciting.
I'm also am not going to be changing my desktop wallpaper to modern AC boats any time soon. The old J class America's Cup boats are more my style
-Will (Dragonfly)
For example: the Eiffel Tower was found very offensive by Parisians when it was first constructed for the Paris World's Fair and now it is a symbol of Paris. Jackson Pollock, Pablo Picasso, Miro, even Bernini
The Futurist movement brought forth beauty out of function and the popular art movement of Deconstructionism, which brings us back to Paris for the Pompidou
Then, a whole group of architects like Frank Gehry
Not considering the new AC boats "eye candy" isn't wrong. You can't be wrong about your concept of beauty. I am just suggesting that your current concept of beauty will not stand as an absolute, neither for you nor, most definitely, for the public at large.
I find this kind of cultural morphology very exciting.
I'm also am not going to be changing my desktop wallpaper to modern AC boats any time soon. The old J class America's Cup boats are more my style
-Will (Dragonfly)
I think this was pretty much covered in the Fountain Head by Ayn Rand. There is this struggle between the classic forms and the modern. It's an interesting question as to who is the arbitrator of esthetics.
"through their egregious works."
Just in case you are mistaking this statement as a value judgement. Most people use the word 'egregious' to mean "grievous", but my meaning here is simply "outside the norm".
As far as art goes, I'm pretty broad minded mixed with a generous dose of cynicism about "Modern" art. I love the exploration and the new, I'm sceptical of the "find your own meaning in my art" philosophy. I hate museum art that is untitled or a number for a title. I want to know what the artist was thinking when they created the piece.
-Will (Dragonfly)
Just in case you are mistaking this statement as a value judgement. Most people use the word 'egregious' to mean "grievous", but my meaning here is simply "outside the norm".
As far as art goes, I'm pretty broad minded mixed with a generous dose of cynicism about "Modern" art. I love the exploration and the new, I'm sceptical of the "find your own meaning in my art" philosophy. I hate museum art that is untitled or a number for a title. I want to know what the artist was thinking when they created the piece.
-Will (Dragonfly)
This has gone from the realm of sailing to that of aviation. Totally ridiculous. The trustees of the Cup have completely lost contact with the heritage of the America's Cup. They should retro to sailing true one designs, like maybe Lightenings, or 420's. If they did that I would actually enthusiastically follow the competition.
One design AC racing also disregards the heritage of the competition. Innovation is a major element to this race.
-Will (Dragonfly)
-Will (Dragonfly)
@Will Gilmore, sorry I misread you. I typically use egregious as a strong negative...
My test for art is; I don't consider it art if I (or my grandchildren...) can do it. I agree with you, that knowing what the artist is trying to convey is important. However, I prefer art that's mostly self explanatory - guess I'm just lazy. Maybe engineers shouldn't be allowed to discuss art anyway.
Anyway, should be some exciting racing.
My test for art is; I don't consider it art if I (or my grandchildren...) can do it. I agree with you, that knowing what the artist is trying to convey is important. However, I prefer art that's mostly self explanatory - guess I'm just lazy. Maybe engineers shouldn't be allowed to discuss art anyway.
Anyway, should be some exciting racing.
That would be an audience of few. You can join the parents and spouses on the sidelines, because the masses and sponsors are drawn to extreme competition and innovation. This is not the same stuff they can see in the Olympic races. The class 12-meters in their days were innovative, and I’m sure there were some who condemned them. Now you can ride the classic 12-meter boats in Newport anytime you want. They are relegated to being plow horses like the Central Park carriage rides.