And so it begins
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Jibes, You can't go wrong hiring a fellow sailor, at the very least you'll know where he is when he calls in sick on a beautiful fresh breezy day.
Joe, I've been watching your progress on the Gelcoat loosing track of what needs to be done on the mechanical systems, rigging etc. Maybe you can give us an update and scope of the work left to be done.
A proud new owner of a 39 just made contact with me. I'll be sure to invite him to the party. Lots of boats sitting in their slips rotting away. Prices remain at rock bottom under $30,000 even as low as $20,000 for a 39' project boat. I think the 39's are being hit hard since they are more to maintain, slip, haul, etc.
The days of a bit less is more are upon us.
Joe, I've been watching your progress on the Gelcoat loosing track of what needs to be done on the mechanical systems, rigging etc. Maybe you can give us an update and scope of the work left to be done.
A proud new owner of a 39 just made contact with me. I'll be sure to invite him to the party. Lots of boats sitting in their slips rotting away. Prices remain at rock bottom under $30,000 even as low as $20,000 for a 39' project boat. I think the 39's are being hit hard since they are more to maintain, slip, haul, etc.
The days of a bit less is more are upon us.
First, thank you jibes, that's very tempting however the admiral has MS and the heat would kill her. For her benefit I'm going to have to remain in the icebox. Anyway, here are the pictures of the cabin structure and the portlights. The cabin varies from a 1/4 inch gap at the main cabin to a 1/2 inch gap at the opening ports in the head. As you can see the main cabin portlights are fixed at a 1/2 inch thickness. Without some type of reinforcement between the cabin liner and cabin exterior the seal relies on the fiberglass maintaining it's position to hold pressure on the seal. That's exactly what Sailing Cal and I are seeing is the cabin reforming to relieve the pressure. Once the pressure is gone the caulking is subject to heat and stress until it fails in it's purpose. To eliminate this I will be installing spacers to maintain the fixed distance necessary to maintain a solid seal. Even the new opening ports rely on minimal motion to assure the seal remains intact despite the trim ring floating over the port proper. I will post a tentative list of what remains this weekend and I can assure everyone it is very short even if some of the work will be involved, 'cause there are one heluva lot of screws to go back in. But at least most everything is here and or fabricated.
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I spent the last half hour tripping back YOT memory lane. I did not see the final shot of the interior in all of it's plaid glory. Joe, I hope you will do a final photo shoot. Just an idea but maybe you should take the shots at the same angle as the old brochure attached. It's a scanned copy in terrible shape. Other 27 owners would love it.
Another note: I noticed in your photo (attached) that Yot has the same hand holds above the seat backs in the salon as my boat. I plan to remove these and give the salon a different look. Is anyone in need of them?
Keep it going Joe!
Another note: I noticed in your photo (attached) that Yot has the same hand holds above the seat backs in the salon as my boat. I plan to remove these and give the salon a different look. Is anyone in need of them?
Keep it going Joe!
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DENIED! While spraying up the cabin sides and cockpit I called to my son for another 20 ounces of gelcoat upon which he replied, "we're out." This YOT drinks gelcoat like a sailor drinks on shore leave. Another order has yet 1 more gallon of white gelcoat on it's way. Now if I can get a few more days of warm weather all will be complete with regards to gelcoat. At that point it will be install the toerails I fabricated earlier and a thorough wipe down of the cabin interior. As of now the cabin is gutted as the hull liner foam and fabric will go in and then the woodwork reinstalled. After that it's stuff the cushions as they take up less space in the house. After that it's sand and buff then on goes the new rubrail. In go the windows and on goes the hardware and hatches. Paint the bottom and call the transporter. It's the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel and it ain't the locomotive. Todd I will be happy to post pictures of the finished product from exactly the same angles as the brochure. Jibes, e-gad after all this the crazy orange is history. All the formica is white like the gjenvic brochure. Here are some photo's of the 'core' that will be installed between the cabin exterior and liner to hold the cabin at a fixed distance. I cut them from 1/4" underlayment. Before anybody goes nuts that it isn't a 'boating wood remember neither is balsa or kapok but they have been used successfully for many years. Many a kitchen floor has used this plywood and survived repeated moping. Besides I coated them with epoxy. Also there are a couple of shots of gelcoat and Duratec. No sanding or buffing as of yet.
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Closer, closer, closer. Tomorrow the Duratec/gelcoat application then on to the wet sanding. For today the change from the mess I bought to the almost there.
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Well the gods of cross linked polyester have smiled on yours truly. To that end the final shoot of the cabin using the 50/50 Gelcoat/High Gloss Additive has been accomplished. A few touch ups and let the wet sanding begin. The cockpit floor will be the finale for this project as I have something unique cooked up. So to tide everyone over here's what this YOT is looking like all dressed up with no place to go, yet. And what I bought just over a year ago. Enjoy.
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Getting excited about the finished product. So are you and YOT gonna tour or do we have to trek to Lake Ontario to view her?
Hi Sailing Cal. I'm getting very excited about getting this thing ready for spring. I will probably stay on a short string for a few years here on Lake Ontario but in the future I would love to start some serious distance cruising. Here is the starboard side with shiny bright gelcoat and the port side with some orange peel. Now that's an understatement. This weekends mad dash is sand and buff the cabin so I can get YOT closed for the winter and install the hull liner foam and fabric before the cold sets in for good. Keep your fingers crossed for a few more weeks of warmer temps.
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Joe,
That's Great DUI!! http://www.gardco.com/pages/gloss/doimeter.cfm
How much time does it take to wet sand the orange peel out and buff to get to that point? I was planning on painting the boot and shear strips but you have me thinking Gellcoat.
That's Great DUI!! http://www.gardco.com/pages/gloss/doimeter.cfm
How much time does it take to wet sand the orange peel out and buff to get to that point? I was planning on painting the boot and shear strips but you have me thinking Gellcoat.
Hi Todd. I have about 20 hours of sanding and buffing thus far. I still have to do the polish and glaze to really bring out the shine. That should be another 3-4 hours. The sanding was a killer. I spent 2-3 hours each evening this week sanding the starboard side. I started with 220 wet or dry, sorry Maine Sail I had to cheat on this one, then 320, 400, 600, 800 and finally 1000. I used the 220 primarily because I'm a bit of a slop artist when it comes to aerosol applied anything and I had some serious orange peel. I often went out after dark to sand as the Duratec highlighted the low areas by reflecting my work light and appearing like a glitter. Once there were tiny but even glitter spots it was time to drop to the 320. By the time I was done with the 400 all the glitter was gone indicating I had only the sanding scratches to sand out with the 600-1000 grits. A quick check with the Maglight flashlight held parallel to the surface revealed any touch up spots that only required the 400-1000 paper. The most work was the 220-320 as they did the bulk of the knockdown. I'm using the Aqua Buff 1000 fast cut and Aqua Buff 2000 polishing compound as a little goes a long way. One gallon each is about twice as much as I will probably need. Express Composites up in Minnesota had the small quantity and lowest price at 35.00/gallon. It's made from ground up bones from what the manufacturer told me. The other big thing is you use a high speed buffer which is counter to about anything I ever heard. 2500 RPM or greater. As the folks at Hawkeye the makers of these Duratec/Aquabuff products explained it doesn't burn at these speeds due to it's water base and no petroleum products. The funny thing now is the strange looking person looking back at me in the boat. How he got in the Gelcoat I have nary a clue.
Nah nah nah boo boo. I got new windows (tinted of course) that are exact matches for the ones going bye bye. So while others are hacking and chopping be it known heretofore and hence forth that The Rudy of D&R Marine has access to the maker of the (ta da) originals. Don't know who makes 'em but I'm just as giggly now that YOT will be styling. WARNING, they ain't cheap but these are the real deal.
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Yes they are pricey, but if they simply plug into existing hole w/o modification then good purchase.
They are certainly going to look snazzy!
They are certainly going to look snazzy!
Every time I see this kind of build log it empowers me to undertake another project on my little tub! It looks awesome and is going to be really slick when done! Please keep the pics coming!
Hi Jonny Quest. Long time no hear. Yup these are exact drop in windows on the main cabin. The opening ports needed two minor cutouts for the rain drains that were simple with a router. I used the exterior trim ring and a pencil and zip, zip in they went. They don't have the original rain shade but with the drains and the fold down latches they are a superior window. My head will be thankful since I won't be putting any more knots in it from the metal screw latches. Hi there zoomie. Glad you are enjoying my adventure. I'm always glad to lend what I am learning to the Oday database. Don't be too hard on the 22. That was my first Oday and provided me years of enjoyment. The 222 addressed many of the shortcomings of the 22 especially the lateral drift when going to windward. In fact, the colors of the shear and boot stripes on YOT were the colors of my 22. I will be continuing with the pictures as this project is still an ongoing affair. At the end I'll be taking Panta Rei's suggestion and posting before and after photos. I do want to thank all who have contributed to this thread as fellow Oday owners have always inspired me to keep going when I questioned, "What in blazes was I thinking." A community of Oday enthusiasts is a great motivator and a never ending source of inspiration and support. Until later, more damn sanding although the end is in sight.
Thanks jibes. Right now the humor is really appreciated. As it happens the sanding is progressing with one major hitch. This is one of those setbacks that can quickly kill a restoration project in a hurry. The problem with imposing a timeline is things go wrong. When they do a realistic assessment of the individual's ability to see it through make the difference between ultimate success and a lawn ornament. This is one of those times, but rest assured YOT will see the water again. Besides that I am far enough along to envision the end result. So what has 25 bummed? Thin spots and low temperatures. During the course of regelcoating perhaps a dozen thin areas have emerged during the sanding of the cabin. While touching them up is easy enough the colder weather has arrived and with it the the project must come to a screeching halt. Thin spots show themselves as discoloration in the newer gelcoat especially when an exact color match hasn't been performed or a color change. So what does all this jabbering mean. Hopes of an early spring launch have gone out with the trash. What remains is temperature sensitive. The touch ups will have to be sanded and buffed and since they can't be done the idea of rubbing compound hitting new teak is enough to make anyone cringe. The new rubrail has three severe curves that attemted when the plasitc is cold invites another call to Rudy at D&R. The teak toe rails can't be installed which prevents installing the hull liner because the adhesives require 65 degrees. Without the hull liner the interior can't be installed. Also there is a snowball's chance in a hot place I'll risk installing the windows when buffing in close proximity will be occuring. So far be it from becoming a lawn ornament, YOT will be getting some other attention in areas of engine work, plumbing and electrical upgrades along with a massive cleaning to remove the final vestiges of boat smell. To conclude this entry 25yearslater will definately become 26yearslater but better late than never. Besides with new sails sitting in the dining room and all the other stuff to complete making the house look like a chandlery you can bet this boat is gonna sail again. But hey isn't that what sailing is all about? Sometimes the wind is favorable and you make a fast passage and sometimes you're becalmed.
Hang in there young fellow. My house looks worse. I emptied the boat of all valuables for hurricane Irene and it is everywhere, spare parts, hunks of line, sails, you name it. Stuff i didn't even know i had. I have a great winter project for a guy like you. Build a sand dollar dinghy, it is a blast to build and a great dinghy, great rower and good sailboat. Excellent boat to just anchor up and do some fishing. Check it out on the web, a guy named Arch Davis sells the plans. I built one in 2000 and have had a lot of fun with it.
