Lazy Jacks ?

May 7, 2023
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catalina 27 lake st clair
I looked up the Ez Jax and see how they “stow away”, but I don’t think this unique only to the Ez Jax brand. I see other brands that have the line running down the mast on both sides so the lines could be released and pulled back and down to the boom to put on a regular sail cover. Thoughts ?
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,066
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
I have the SailCare Sail Cradle lazy jacks. The price was excellent. I will build my own next time but this was a good kit to start out with, learn and modify. It stows parallel with the mast and does not require modifications to the sail cover
 
Apr 5, 2009
2,970
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
These are not Ez Jax but seem to be functional with a regular sail cover
This is similar to the original EZJax which were commercially available from a shop out of Port Townsend but the geometry is not quite right. The secrete to the Jax is that when they are stowed, only the final ring on the hoisting line is long enough to reach the gooseneck. On the one you have shown, the top block will be part way up the mast and the two lines attached to it will turn at the gooseneck.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,761
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Before I went to a stack pack I had a two legged lazy jack system. My 12.5' boom really needed at least a 3 legged system but your boat with a 10.5' boom may do OK with a two legged system.

I never took my LJs to the mast even though they were adjustable. I would ease them so I could put the sail cover on inside of the LJs.
When getting ready to drop the main I would snug them up so they would catch the sail better. Then after the sail was tied on to the boom, I would ease them again to put the cover back on. I never found the need to modify the sail cover for the LJs or to take them to the mast.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,250
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I have a Mack Pack with integrated lazy jacks. I can ease my jacks, and leave the sail cover in place (typical set up in heavier winds), or I can loosen the jacks and pull them vertical to the boom and secure the up at the mast, and drop the pack so I can get the full benefit of my loose-footed main (typically set up this way in light winds).

The first time I took Tally Ho out for a sail by myself, and dropped the main all over the cockpit, I was committed to getting some sort of sail-handling setup. I have been very happy with it ever since.


Greg
 

DaveJ

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Apr 2, 2013
469
Catalina 310 Niagara-on-the-Lake
When you say that you ‘drop the pack for the full use of the main’, does this obscure any forward vision? I have the Dutchman System now, but my main is almost worn out, reading this thread for future reference.
cheers
 
Apr 5, 2009
2,970
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
When you say that you ‘drop the pack for the full use of the main’, does this obscure any forward vision? I have the Dutchman System now, but my main is almost worn out, reading this thread for future reference.
cheers
When I built my Pap-Pac, I wanted something that would maintain the advantages of the EZJax. My pac can be stowed by pulling the jax forward to the mast so that they did not interfere with raising the mast or trimming the loose footed main. I lower the jax and pull them forward, then roll the pac up and secure the roll with sail ties that are attached to the bottom edge of the pac. Here are some photos of the system.

Finished Pap Pac
1 view from bow.jpg

Padeye and bungy to hole up front edge
2 support at mast.jpg

Pac with one side dropped down. Note that inside is lined with sailcloth which provides a great deal of abrasion resistance which Sunbrella does not have and makes the inside much more slippery so that the sail slides inside easier.
3 side lowered.jpg

Sail tied to boom with integral sail ties. These ties have an adjustable long leg on the inside and a fixed short leg on the outside. The clips on these ties are opposite on each side. To tie the sail to the boom, the inner ties are adjusted out long enough to reach over the sail. To tie the pac to the boom, the inner tie is adjusted short so that it fits snuggly around the rolled up pac.
4 side down with sailtie.jpg

Jax pulled forward in preparation for rolling up pac.
5 lines pull forward.jpg

Starboard side pac rolled up and secured with integral sail ties.
6 side rolled.jpg

Pac rolle and jax stowed for sailing.
Pap-Pak underway.jpg
 
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Jan 7, 2011
5,250
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
When you say that you ‘drop the pack for the full use of the main’, does this obscure any forward vision? I have the Dutchman System now, but my main is almost worn out, reading this thread for future reference.
cheers
Nope.

I can “roll down” the Mack Pack and it lays parallel with the boom. Or I can just drop the top securement at the mast and let the cover hang down from the boom. This doesn’t really impede vision, but it looks messy.

So, if in light winds, i will loosen the jacks and pull them forward to the mast, and roll down the bag. If in heavy winds, I don’t bother doing much more than putting an arms length of slack in the jacks line so they don’t misshapen the sail.

Here is a short video showing the Mack Pack in the “windy” configuration…


This is a long video, but in the first 5 minutes, I show the Mack Pack in light winds and in this case, I rolled down the bag, and loosened the jacks. I didn’t pull them forward (I can be lazy).

Finally, in this video, I show the Mack Pack down and the jacks pulled forward to the madt.


These may give you a little more idea how my Mack Pack works.


Greg