What to do if you lose your rig.

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Oct 22, 2014
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What you do and how you do it has everything to do with where you are and the conditions you are in.

It seems to me you need to have a couple of plans of attack to deal with the problem of a demasting.
  • If you are at sea and the demasting is the result of a violent storm is one scenario.
  • If your mast is attacked by a tree as you head to the launch ramp is entirely different.
  • If you are in the middle of a race and the upper mast falls down your actions might vary due to the wind, sea state, and the availability to outside help.
just my thoughts.
 
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
Your idea of working the sail slugs or bolt rope out of the top of the “new” mast top might work if the mast was sheared off and the groove the slugs or bolt rope slides in wasn’t deformed. That might get the lower area of the main into a more manageable state

My only other thought so far would be to use a halyard or some spare line to barber pole wrap the entire mess as tightly as you can.

With spare line you could fashion a constrictor type loop around an area, push it up as high as you could reach with the dock pole and then cinch it tight. Repeat until you have enough “sail ties” to get underway effectively
I realize bad luck sometimes wins out, but seeing how my mast snapped, the slot was left perfectly open. I would suggest you probably have a high percentage chance that is what will happen. Sometime try to bend aluminum. It is not like steel. It tends to just crack rather than bend. Yes it will probably depend a little on the alloy, but the nature of aluminum is that it does not survive over stressing. It just cracks.

Incidentally, when the tree in my back yard fell on my boat, it broke in two places and dented a 3rd. The location where it dented it, the impact was on the side of the mast. Because of where the material bent, the slot actually cracked open. The aluminum was still there, but along the side, it split vertically along the slot. The slot was still in tact, but you could spread it.

Obviously you play the game with whatever cards you are dealt, but it is fairly likely the slot will be open. Your emergency kit should include a roll of fresh duct tape, a few sharp objects and a bunch of different size stainless steel hose clamps. A few ratcheting tie down straps would probably be good too.
 
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Jan 13, 2009
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J Boat 92 78 Sandusky
Interesting thread. I have been dismasted racing my Sabre 28. Night race on Lake Erie. Thunderstorms in the distance. Crew saw lights on shore (7 miles away )disappear and put on their foul weather gear. Unfortunately it was a microburst approaching us with winds of 60-70 knots which we couldn't see. What we thought was rain was actually the microburst downdraft . 4 crew on rail and 2 of us in the cockpit. Burst hit us with a full main and number 2 up. The boat heeled about 40 degrees as we scrambled to release the sheets. Within minutes there was a loud bang as the rig broke at the spreaders and 6 feet above the deck. It hit with such force that both sails went overboard with the rig. The rigid boom vang twisted and the boom hung up on the top of the life lines. The aluminum foil on the the roller furler bent into a number of crazy angles. When the rig blew, the boat went from 40 degrees heel to negative heel dipping the rail crew's legs into the water and then immediately popped up lifting the crew off the deck about a foot before leveling out. A testament to the Sabre's excellent righting moment. Immediately the broken mast started banging loudly on the side of the hull. The boat goes beam to the wind and waves as the sea state goes to 4 foot steep and confused chop. Yikes! Fortunately I had great crew who did not panic. We had a paramedic, doctor, deputy sheriff, controller, me, and a Methodist minister just in case anything really went wrong.

Anybody who thinks bolt cutters or hacksaw will work in these conditions is overly optimistic. The violent action of the boat in a seaway at night is difficult as the boat rolls and pitches both. We got lucky in that I recently installed wrap pins on all the turnbuckles. We released all the turnbuckles which were under load as the sails were under water and pulling on the shrouds. We cut the halyards but not without difficulty. Dyneema and Vectran core lines can only be cut with a sharp serrated knife or ceramic knife. Our paramedic had a very sharp serrated knife which worked great, Getting rid of the headstay was another matter. Cutting through the aluminum foil and stainless wire stay inside is extremely difficult as it is whipping around in the waves. We accomplished this by undoing the double locknuts on the headstay pin. My wife had to lay down on the bow while another crew wedged into the pulpit to hold a wrench while my wife used pliers to unscrew the the nuts. Amazing action by my wife as she got dunked twice as the boat pitched. The backstay came apart easily as the adjuster unscrewed. The Garhauer vang was still attached to the stub of the mast and the boom. Both were a mangled mess. We unscrewed the bolts that held the deck stepped mast to the step and jettisoned the stub, boom, and vang overboard which allowed the trashed rig and sails to sink to the bottom. The moment of truth was when I started the engine. As luck would have it, the rig and mess was on the port side where the offset prop was. I waited for a few minutes and then dropped into gear fearing a loud squeal. Fortunately we were clear and motored 3 miles into a safe harbor.

In hindsight, I wished I had a 20V cordless grinder with diamond blade. Absent that, the wrap pins were a godsend. The biggest thing is to have a crew that doesn't panic and who are good at problem solving. If you lose you rig at night and in a rough sea state, hacksaws and bolt cutters wouldn't work well. Felco wire cutters would work also.
 
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Hunter 216 Kingston
@Jumpstart

It appears you have had enough time to process the event and have a sense of humour in recalling what I can only imagine was a harrowing event. :)

It would seem that most of your crew have professional careers that would expose them to “crisis” situations on a regular basis so your comment on the crews approach to handling this well speaks volumes. Thank you for sharing.

I do have a few questions if you don’t mind:

Did the mast sections thumping the boat cause any damage? I completely understand the motivation to get the hull away from any danger but I remain curious on how much “risk” of an actually hull puncture there is.

You comment that bolt cutters or hacksaws wouldn’t be very useful. Can you elaborate on why you have that opinion?
 
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J Boat 92 78 Sandusky
Yes, Mills race. It very hard to cut the rigging when the boat is violently rolling and pitching. When you lose your mast the boat goes beam to the wind and waves. Imagine how hard it is to hold a shroud with one hand , saw with another and keep your balance. The noise from the rig bashing into the hull is magnified. Damage to hull was limited to some deep scratches. It sounded a lot worse at the time and had all of us concerned.
 
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Yes, Mills race. It very hard to cut the rigging when the boat is violently rolling and pitching. When you lose your mast the boat goes beam to the wind and waves. Imagine how hard it is to hold a shroud with one hand , saw with another and keep your balance. The noise from the rig bashing into the hull is magnified. Damage to hull was limited to some deep scratches. It sounded a lot worse at the time and had all of us concerned.
Thanks for the extra detail. I can imagine what it would be like.... hope I never experience the reality! :)

The fact that the mast bashing damage was limited to “cosmetic” is quite interesting.

The events you depict I think are at the more extreme end of conditions so if you didn’t suffer a “puncture” maybe that damage doesn’t happen often.

My “armchair theory” ;) is:

Hull and mast in close proximity so kind of moving at the same speed so minimal acceleration of the mass. The likelihood of the end of the mast being perpendicular to the side of the hull at the moment of contact as opposed to the side of the mast would seem low. Fibreglass is really hard to put a hole in. etc.

Terrifying noises, fear of sinking, trying to minimize hull damage (even cosmetic) would all feed into getting away from the wreckage asap but would need to be tempered by doing everything possible to ensure the prop isn’t fouled. Hurry up but take your time ;)

It certainly sounds like you and your crew did everything right!
 
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
Yes, Mills race. It very hard to cut the rigging when the boat is violently rolling and pitching. When you lose your mast the boat goes beam to the wind and waves. Imagine how hard it is to hold a shroud with one hand , saw with another and keep your balance. The noise from the rig bashing into the hull is magnified. Damage to hull was limited to some deep scratches. It sounded a lot worse at the time and had all of us concerned.
What would you think of something like this?
I think I'd probably want to weld/glue a socket end with a T-handle on it. I'd also think I'd want a short strap attached to it with a velcro strap to attach it to my wrist, so I wouldn't drop it.

Second question - If you were to drop anchor off the bow, would that not direct the boat into the wind?
 
Jan 13, 2009
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J Boat 92 78 Sandusky
Dropping anchor would be an option. We were in 25 feet of water and the 4 foot short duration chop might have made that interesting. To be honest are efforts were focused on getting the rig away from the boat.
 
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Funny story as a follow up. We motored into put in bay to the docks reserved for the race. It had been a rough night as the storm hopskotched through the fleet. Over 40 boats had dropped out, many with damage. It depended where you were on the course as the storm literally bounced along. Now the funny (ok, funny at the time) part. we rafted one boat out from the dock and were in early. All six of us of fell asleep pretty quick. Sleeping in the vberth we heard a loud crash on deck and swearing. 15 minutes later we heard it again. This time with a very loud discussion. It seems that the later arriving crews were falling as they crossed the raft. Partially, it was due to being tired. The main reason was that when they went to grab the shrouds on our boat to find out too late that there weren't any. Obviously, in the dark, they didn't process that it was a boat without a mast. Fortunately, nobody was hurt. The bright side of the incident is that we didn't have to fold any wet sails in the dark when we got in.
 

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Funny story as a follow up.
I’m sure exhaustion after the adrenaline rush might have been at play!!

You exhibit a great sense of humour about all of this. Curious if this has been your only dismasting event? :)
 
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We cut the halyards but not without difficulty. Dyneema and Vectran core lines can only be cut with a sharp serrated knife or ceramic knife. Our paramedic had a very sharp serrated knife which worked great,
Great story, and a solid outcome. As you note, if you are using modern dyneema cored line, you MUST have knives capable of cutting it, and doing so quickly. And there is nothing on this earth better than the Boye Cobalt Sheepsfoot folder.
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Thankfully only one dismasting so far in 37 years of sailing and racing. Pretty rare as far as I'm concerned. Inspect your rig. Use good practices and watch the weather. Lake Erie is infamous for fast appearing storms. This happened in 2008 but seems like only yesterday. Today, we use phone based weather radar apps that weren't that available in 2008. Current boat also has Sirius weather which overlays the chart plotter.
Worst storm I have ever been in was the 2011 Chicago Mac race. (not our boat) 2011 chicago mac lightning storm - Bing video We were near the Manitous when it hit. My wife was following the race and called us warning us of the approaching mega storm. We had already dropped out due to a crew injury and were sailing on main alone. We struggled to get the main down and came very close to some boats around us who were out of control. 2 people died in a capsized boat 7 miles from us.
 

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I think too much thinking about what you would do is a bit of a fools errand. Every dismasting is a snowflake; no two are alike. There is no playbook. Therefore the best plan is to:

1) Regularly inspect and maintain your rig. That will prevent 95% of all failures.
2) Have the right gear on board to deal with a demasting, based on your boat and your sailing program.
3) It something bad happens, do some of that sailor stuff.

Remember that self-sufficiency is the hallmark of a good sailor.
 
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Great story, and a solid outcome. As you note, if you are using modern dyneema cored line, you MUST have knives capable of cutting it, and doing so quickly. And there is nothing on this earth better than the Boye Cobalt Sheepsfoot folder.View attachment 185717
How do you sharpen a knife like that? I have not had a knife as sharp as I'd like since I wore out my last carbon steel blade. All the stainless blades I've had are hard to sharpen and get dull fast.
 
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How do you sharpen a knife like that? I have not had a knife as sharp as I'd like since I wore out my last carbon steel blade. All the stainless blades I've had are hard to sharpen and get dull fast.
super easy. So I hear. I have a stone, but have never needed it. The knife stays deadly sharp.

 
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And there is nothing on this earth better than the Boye Cobalt Sheepsfoot folder.
I went “shopping” for one of these and couldn’t find any “stocked” in Canada. I received confirmation from Debbie Boye that they don’t have any Canadian dealers but do sell direct. $20 for First class mailing, insured, plus any customs charges that might apply.

I found a few for sale in the USA but at a higher cost than from Boye direct.
 
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I went “shopping” for one of these and couldn’t find any “stocked” in Canada. I received confirmation from Debbie Boye that they don’t have any Canadian dealers but do sell direct. $20 for First class mailing, insured, plus any customs charges that might apply.

I found a few for sale in the USA but at a higher cost than from Boye direct.
Debbie and David Boye are absolute treasures. I'll often send Debbie and email with a question, and she'll respond with David's answer in a day or so. He really is the father of modern American knifemaking; he wrote the definitive book on the subject years ago, that the founders of companies like Benchmade and Spyderco used to learn their craft. Indeed, Spiderco calls the small divit in the blade-lock of their knives the 'boye dent' in honor of the guy who taught them that.

I have a Spyderco, a Benchmade, a Wichard, a Victorinox, a SOG etc etc. But two Boyes. A sheepsfoot for the boat, and a point for daily carry.
 
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