Oday 27 New to Me (Project)

Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
Thought I would introduce myself. I'm Daniel and I just purchased a project Oday 27 (1975) which is a move up from my Aquarius 21. I live by Newport, OR and the boat is in Portland, OR, so I am traveling several hours on the weekend and staying the night aboard while i fix it up. Many thanks to 25yearslater for his very informative thread on this boat. Open to ideas/comments. Videos and pics from my first night (3-12 & 3-13). More to come :)mattress-removed.jpg original-condition.jpg original-condition2.jpg original-condition3.jpg original-condition4.jpg
 
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Aug 20, 2010
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Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Welcome to the gang. The Oday 27 is a delightful boat to sail and work on. It may not be as sporty as the newer go fast boats but it is a very capable vessel. Mike Riley of Maine sailed his stock Oday 27 'Ballybreen' back and forth across the Atlantic several times both on the northern route and down along Africa then over to the Caribbean and finally back to Maine on the outside. You have your hands full but with some perseverance you can have a first class boat. I'm about to enter my 4th season since the overhaul and I haven't had any problems with anything. The only advise I would offer is get it close. Commuting to work on a boat can be the dream killer. That and don't set timelines for relaunch. That can get demoralizing when things don't go as planned or take longer than they should.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
Thanks for the advice 25years. So far I am really liking the 27. I've been out working on her for a couple more weekends than this video will show. Are there any writ-ups or books on Mike and Ballybreen? Anyway here is a video of her. Sorry about my rambling, I'm mostly talking to myself so I don't forget things I need to do.
 
Aug 20, 2010
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Here you go from Atomvoyages:
Twenty-seven-year-old Michael Riley, from Maine, stopped in Luperon briefly this April aboard Ballybreen, a 27-foot ODay. Like us, Michael was one of the fortunate ones making the easy downwind run back to the US East Coast as part of a circle cruise around the North Atlantic. He departed Maine with his father aboard on June 6, 2001, bound for Ireland. Ballybreen is minimally equipped, lacking even a radio to receive weather forecasts. Our view is the boat doesn't go fast enough to avoid bad weather so why worry about it, Michael says. In hindsight, Michael admits that staying well above 40 degrees north latitude on their crossing was a mistake. For 30 days, he and his dad hand-steered Ballybreen four hours on and four off through a series of gale-force depressions. Five hundred miles west of Ireland, the ODays skeg-hung rudder snapped off where the hollow rudderstock passes through the hull. After watching in disbelief as the rudder floated away, they jury-rigged a new one out of a dismantled plywood bunkboard and a whisker pole lashed to the transom ladder. To add to their misery, they narrowly escaped dismasting during three separate incidents of broken mast stays.

Michael's sister accompanied him on the next leg of the voyage to Spain, and then his dad returned for the passage from Portugal to St. Lucia. It was my dads dream to sail across the Atlantic, but I think Im benefiting more, Michael says. On our return Atlantic crossing, dad seemed anxious as we neared our destination. He kept scanning the horizon and with his pipe dangling from the corner of his mouth, repeated, Yep, if she just holds together a bit longer we should be alright.

Assisted by an electric autopilot, Michael has sailed alone through the islands since St. Lucia. I feel obliged to warn all future visitors that to charge Ballybreens batteries, he has a wind charger that's mounted lethally low on the afterdeck. Pointing to a three-inch scar on the side of his head, Michael says, I should put it on a higher pole before it kills someone. Im sure the Dominican customs officer who left Ballybreen with a similar scar would heartily agree. Ballybreen is headed next to Cuba and then to Maine to complete her Atlantic circuit. Stop by and say hi if you see him, but keep your head down.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Welcome Speedbug.
The refit of a boat you like is a challenge and a reward. Know the dread/joy of going to the boat. My boat is in Everett WA. Current condition mast on the hard awaiting spreaders. Boat in parts as refit of mast wiring, radios, radar, and sealing of chainplates is in the works. Then the fun begins.

This is a great group of boaters. Keep in touch.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
I have tons of questions so here are some:

Should I convert to an inboard? I like them (have done a lot of work on ski boats and our Columbia 34 at work), but it seems like the conversion would be a pretty big undertaking. Am I missing something?

Should I upgrade (size up) the standing rigging? I have taken a fairly close look and my rigging looks pretty good (still need to hike up and take a look at the top), but it seems that several have had trouble breaking rigging?

Is there a recommended propane stove top to replace the pressurized alcohol one? Mine has >1" standing water and is completely rusted up. I was given a nearly new Dickinson cabin heater complete setup, so have decided to add propane.

Is it ok to list parts I need on here? (i.e. stanchion brace, tiller handle...)

Does anyone know the diameter of the stern rail? I don't think I can get up to measure it this weekend, and would like to pre-make some solar panel mounts.

Does the original jib sheet setup work well? I was surprised not to find any jib tracks, just blocks and winches.

What are you guys running for bilge pumps (pics please :)?
 
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Aug 20, 2010
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Let's go down the list.
1) An inboard would be a substantial undertaking. Strut, engine bed, shaft log, shift bracket, shifter and control panel to name a few things. I believe there are some substantial differences below the waterline. I will go over this weekend and post photos of a 27 with outboard and inboard since there is mine and someone else with one at the marina.
2) Don't bother upsizing the rigging. Perhaps replace it since age is the unknown. More important are the attachment points. Check the bulkheads for any indication of water damage and rot. The upper shroud chainplates bolt through them. This is the number one reason for failure. Check all the plates and tangs for damage or cracking at the pin locations.
3) Propane is fine if properly installed.
4) Parts wanted can be found under classifieds.
5) Stern rail, stations and bow pulpit are 1" unless custom built.
6) Blocks will work fine but performance is likely to suffer. Of course we are talking about snail's pace with regard to sailboats.
7) I have an electric and a manual bilge pump. I'll get some photos of that as well.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
Awesome reply, thanks 25yearslater!
What do the lower shroud chainplates look like? I can inspect the attachment point but not the actual plate, its just a hump underneath. Should i be concerned with their integrity? I already know that i need to replace one of the bulkheads. The chainplate has been leaking on it for some time.
 
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Aug 20, 2010
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The lowers have an interesting setup. You can see my solution on "And so it begins on page 2." If your deck is solid there they should be fine without resorting to my measures. If they wiggle at all they are no longer secured by the mystery material in those humps in the cabin liner.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
I think I figured out what you did. I read your post before but it wasn't clear to me. Right now the mast is up and the lowers are tensioned so I'm not sure how much wiggle I'll get. In other news I picked up some product to redo the exterior hardwood. It's the 3 step star brite stuff. Anyone have experience with it?
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Yes it is my Cal35Cruiser.
With regards to rigging, it is good to know the age of your rigging. Up here in the Northern Latitudes rigging can last longer say 8-12 years, then in equtorial climates. You should be concerned if you see any broken wires, rust inside the swage fittings, any cracks on the fitgings (these can be micro cracks that you may need very fine dye to see). Most folks look to a good rigger to inspect. Going up the mast look for rust corrision or rot on the spreaders. Chainplates are vunerable at the holes where the rigging attaches. Holes can be elongated and worn. Look for pitting where the chainplates go into the deck. Indicator of possible corrision in the chainplates. Nature of stainless is to corrode from the inside out. Especially where water gets trapped against the metal and the steel is deprived of oxygen.

Normally the size of the rigging should be repeated when replacing. The rigging size is determined/engineered by the boat designer.

I use the same electric/manual bilge pump arrangement as 25years... electric can pump 2200 gph.

There is a lot of cost and engineering connected to putting in an inboard power plant. It would not be my first project. Likely never recover the cost should you resrll the boat.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
Thanks for the great advice guys! I'm headed out charter fishing tomorrow and then have a memorial service on Sun. Hopefully I can get some of the wood and the solar system prepped, but I won't make the trip to the boat this weekend : ( The ocean is finally laying down for a few days, so I've been out for work a few Times. Anyone else sailing lately?
 
Aug 20, 2010
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Very welcome. No sailing yet. Water temp is 36 and temperature is headed into the teens for a few days. Tough waiting to insure temperatures won't freeze the engine. Better to leave the antifreeze in for a few more weeks. Of course then there is the hypothermia issue with spray likely from the 50 mph winds that seem to have become common. Spring and winter seem to have switched places for us this year.
 

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Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
My second boat was a 1976 O'day 27. It was a nice upgrade from my Cal 20 with only 4' of headroom. One of the best upgrades I made was to tear out the original sink in the head and build a stack of drawers. I couldn't justify two sinks on a boat that size. I'll look for some photos and post them.
 
Aug 3, 2012
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Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Cool idea to remove that sink. I think there are lots of good ways to use space that we don't think of.
 
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Apr 5, 2016
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Oday 27 Milton, FL
We just purchased an Oday 27 on February 27. From looking at your pictures the condtion of our Oday looks almost like yours--lots of projects ahead but right now trying to figure out how things work since the boat has been negelected for over a year.
 

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Oct 21, 2008
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oday 222 niagara
Its often hard to figure out where to start and even harder finish. A good place to start is prob. to use the outline in Caseys book "This Old Boat". I would add only to do what it will take to get it to a place you can sail it safely. Then go after making it better. So many projects are lost due time without reward.
 
Mar 26, 2016
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oday 27 newport, or
Getting prepped for a trip to the boat tomorrow I'm excited to see what new things I can get done on her and spend a bit more time in the area. Interesting idea about the sink. Capnmac, do you have any pictures of yours?