News flash: cool fast boats sell.
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That's my buddy Charly, the VP of sales at Pogo. He's also a world-class sailor. And a bit of a charmer.
The one telling quote in the video is late when Charly is explaining some aspect of construction, and the interviewer asks if thats when the boat is light. Charly says 'It's not one thing, its EVERY thing'. That's the key. To make a truly light boat, you have to build lightness in everywhere. Everything must be looked at with an eye for lightless, while being incredibly strong.
The boat planes in 12 knots. Most cruisers don't really start to move until they get to 12 knots.
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How do light-weight planing boats do in rough seas? I know that planing kayaks are a blast, but the kayaks that are made for super-difficult, big water rivers incorporate elements of displacement hulls, including rounded chines for secondary stability which is often greater than the primary stability.
you end-for-end jibe don't you? No Worries is setup for a dip-pole, but requires some maintenance to get it fully operational. I have been considering asym only instead of refurbing an older system. The pole requires re-rigging too.....
Watching POGO vids on youtube now. Was late for work this a.m. for same reason.
In swells like any other boat. They also tend to stay flatter to the water surface, and less perpendicular to vertical. In steep chop they tend to lift their bow up and over, as they have tremendous reserve buoyancy in the bow to help prevent nose-plants while doing downwind.
Yes we EfE. You dip-pole on a 28 footer?? Thats a TON of extra work (and people) for a relatively small J measurement. Its only 8 inches longer than BlueJs and over a foot shorter than First 367 Kestrel, which also EfEs.
Jackdaw,
related question...
I've never sailed the tradewinds nor crossed oceans, but I've watched videos and read accounts and it would seem DDW sailing is a big part. In these type of boats, with swept back spreaders, is it still reasonable to sail wing and wing or is jibing to hotter angles the best vmg? In my own boat, I find DDW impossibly slow. Is this the norm?
related question...
I've never sailed the tradewinds nor crossed oceans, but I've watched videos and read accounts and it would seem DDW sailing is a big part. In these type of boats, with swept back spreaders, is it still reasonable to sail wing and wing or is jibing to hotter angles the best vmg? In my own boat, I find DDW impossibly slow. Is this the norm?
Great question, its a new kind of sailing.
First, you'd never sail that kind of boat wing-on-wing.... that's reserved for non-planing boats.
Second, if you sail at about 160 TWA, the boat's inherent speed under spinnaker pushes the Apparent Wind Angle forward, so it seems more like you are reaching. But you are sailing very deep; you end up doing a series of very deep gybes back and forth across the the rhumb line. Here is a vid of a Pogo 50 doing the ARC, typical tradewind sailing. They are doing 14+ knots. The vid gets interesting at about 1:20.
That makes sense. In my boat in 15 to 20 kts true with the chute up, I can do about 7-8+ kts but I usually can't sail deeper than about 150 degrees true...a bit more in the gusts.
A small jib and spreaders that don't allow the main out all the way makes downwind sailing slow without a kite. I tried my whisker pole just once on this boat and it's been in the vberth ever since.
A small jib and spreaders that don't allow the main out all the way makes downwind sailing slow without a kite. I tried my whisker pole just once on this boat and it's been in the vberth ever since.
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yep, just the way it was setup when I purchased her. I have been racing on a dip pole boat, and sprit boat, and a sprit really could be a nice addition.
This published today in Sail.
https://www.sailmagazine.com/boats/just-launched-beneteau-foiler-makes-its-debut
https://www.sailmagazine.com/boats/just-launched-beneteau-foiler-makes-its-debut
Motivated by the raving here I checked out a Pogo 12.50 at the Annapolis boat show today. Nice boat, you can tell just walking on it that it would be a fun sail. If it were my fantasy money though I’d probably go with a J112e instead - the J just felt more polished and livable. Maybe one of the other Pogos would be a better comparison but they only had the 12.50 there.
For sure, the J/112 is an awesome boat. And the build quality (contract built by TPI) is close to the Pogo standard. Designed for 'Elegant fast cruising', the level of interior fit out is high. I love it. But compare it to the Pogo 36 of the same length:
The Pogo is beamier with a deeper keel, has therefore a MUCH higher righting moment and much larger sail plan. But get this; it also weights an astounding 3700 pounds less. Almost two tons! Say that out loud, TWO TONS LIGHTER. 7600lbs vs 11,300. The Pogo will easily plane in any direction in twelve knots, the 112e pops up only on rare circumstances.
This is because everything is lighter. Not just the hull, but the doors, the steps, the mast, the tiller, the cover the the lockers, the floorboards, the bulkheads, the furniture. Everything.
Different boat.
That does sound like fun. Sad they didn’t have one in Annapolis. I guess they have enough demand for now without the added expense of marketing there.
Pogo builds boats to order. They don’t have boats around built to spec. I assume the 12.5 is there on agreement with a new US owner. You’re right about bringing a 36 over with the wait over 2 years.
Another take on the relative popularity of sailing between France, NZ, and US.
Great Circle Sails Blog
Great Circle Sails Blog
Hey jackdaw, do you have stock in Pogo? This thread seems to have turned into a sale Ad!
I think he is lusting for a Pogo, but his honey is jealous.
