Key to main door

Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
Hi !
As a new hunter owner, I have two questions.

1)Any idea how can I get an extra key to the cabin entrance door (Hunter 45 ds). I didn't find anyone that can duplicate it.

2) As the two "stern 10" cleats" are located in a very uncomfortable location, I am thinking of moving it to a better position. does anybody have an experience with that issue, or any recommendation where should I move it.

Thanks for any advise on both questions.

Udi.
 
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dlochner

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Did you try a locksmith? They have a wider selection of blanks than most hardware stores.
 
jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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Udi said:
As the two "stern 10" cleats" are located in a very uncomfortable location, I am thinking of moving it to a better position
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Not sure where you find them uncomfortable on the boat. Looking at images of the Hunter 45DS, I see the stern pulpit provides seating in the corners. Is that the issue?

Note the goal of the cleats is to hold the stern in place next to the dock or as is often the case in the Med to tie the stern directly to the dock so you can step off the stern on to shore.

Having the cleats at the stern and wide makes this possible.

Perhaps pictures would be helpful.
 
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Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
Udi said:
.............1)Any idea how can I get an extra key to the cabin entrance door (Hunter 45 ds). I didn't find anyone that can duplicate it............
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Congratulations on your new sailboat!!

With the key number you can purchase replacement keys here. That where I purchased replacement keys here for my Perko lock, since I could not find a locksmith who carried these key blanks. These guys make keys for trailer, rv's and boats.
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Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
dlochner said:
Did you try a locksmith? They have a wider selection of blanks than most hardware stores.
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Till now no locksmith had a solution. but I don't loos faith.
Thanks.
 
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
jssailem said:
Not sure where you find them uncomfortable on the boat. Looking at images of the Hunter 45DS, I see the stern pulpit provides seating in the corners. Is that the issue?

Note the goal of the cleats is to hold the stern in place next to the dock or as is often the case in the Med to tie the stern directly to the dock so you can step off the stern on to shore.

Having the cleats at the stern and wide makes this possible.

Perhaps pictures would be helpful.
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Hi!
As you can see there is no room for the cleats at the usual place because of the pulpit and the rest os seating area.
At the present position of the cleats the approach for tying is much harder than other boats I know.
I thought of moving it to the area marked at the photo but I am not sure that area is strong enough.
wondering.....
Thanks.
 

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Terry Cox

Terry Cox

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Dec 25, 2000
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Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Udi said:
I thought of moving it to the area marked at the photo but I am not sure that area is strong enough.
wondering.....
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Different model boat here, but as I did with our boat, I posed the question to the manufacturer as to the strength of my desired location. Unsure from your picture, but to me it appears it does not have the reinforcement needed to support the stress of a cleat. Cleat loads can become quite heavy. Can you describe what is behind the area in question?
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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Udi
I suspected as much and your photo confirms it. You have a lot of stuff around the cleat making it difficult to access.

As you consider the options for your cleat, you should consider the engineering factor of a cleat. It's strengths and weaknesses.

BoatUS did an interesting write up that might help as a guide in your decision making. xhttps://boatus.org/findings/16/

Looking at your picture and the place you are considering, cleat failure could be by the fasteners pulling through the fiberglass. Cleats are designed to resist shear force.
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The first three images in this picture show the cleat resisting shear. In the last image 45/45 vertical the fastener bolts are holding the cleat trying to resist the force. If the cleat is attached by a bolt and nut with a fender washer (as is so often the case), then the forces to hold the boat in place will try to pull the nut an defender washer through the fiberglass. Unless the fiberglass is exceptionally strong it will fail over time.

The way you have the boat secured to the dock your current cleat is using the engineered strengths of the cleat and the fasteners.

Placing the cleat where you are suggesting puts all the force on the fiberglass and the backing of the fastener. Not the engineered strength of the cleat.

I would not choose that cleat location for my boat.

One possible solution is to clear the area around the cleats and use the area only for access to secure your cleats.
 
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From the 45DS owner's manual below the stern cleats are part number 9. I would not relocate them. They look pretty accessible in my opinion.

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Looks like there are a long cord and a folding gang plank obscuring the access to the cleat.
 
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
Terry Cox said:
Different model boat here, but as I did with our boat, I posed the question to the manufacturer as to the strength of my desired location. Unsure from your picture, but to me it appears it does not have the reinforcement needed to support the stress of a cleat. Cleat loads can become quite heavy. Can you describe what is behind the area in question?
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Terry Cox said:
Different model boat here, but as I did with our boat, I posed the question to the manufacturer as to the strength of my desired location. Unsure from your picture, but to me it appears it does not have the reinforcement needed to support the stress of a cleat. Cleat loads can become quite heavy. Can you describe what is behind the area in question?
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As I recall from a look that I took of that area its almost the same as the area of the present cleat. Tomorrow I'll take another look and will take a picture of that area in order to understand better that choice.
 
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
jssailem said:
Looks like there are a long cord and a folding gang plank obscuring the access to the cleat.
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The folding gang plank is an added problem, but the solution for that is easy.
The access to the cleat is hard with or without the gangway at the port side.
 
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Mar 23, 2021
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Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
sail sfbay said:
From the 45DS owner's manual below the stern cleats are part number 9. I would not relocate them. They look pretty accessible in my opinion.

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Hi !
it is indeed part# 9 and from my experience with other boats and also with that one its not a very comfortable access.
Thanks anyway.
 
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
jssailem said:
Udi
I suspected as much and your photo confirms it. You have a lot of stuff around the cleat making it difficult to access.

As you consider the options for your cleat, you should consider the engineering factor of a cleat. It's strengths and weaknesses.

BoatUS did an interesting write up that might help as a guide in your decision making. xhttps://boatus.org/findings/16/

Looking at your picture and the place you are considering, cleat failure could be by the fasteners pulling through the fiberglass. Cleats are designed to resist shear force.
View attachment 194869
The first three images in this picture show the cleat resisting shear. In the last image 45/45 vertical the fastener bolts are holding the cleat trying to resist the force. If the cleat is attached by a bolt and nut with a fender washer (as is so often the case), then the forces to hold the boat in place will try to pull the nut an defender washer through the fiberglass. Unless the fiberglass is exceptionally strong it will fail over time.

The way you have the boat secured to the dock your current cleat is using the engineered strengths of the cleat and the fasteners.

Placing the cleat where you are suggesting puts all the force on the fiberglass and the backing of the fastener. Not the engineered strength of the cleat.

I would not choose that cleat location for my boat.

One possible solution is to clear the area around the cleats and use the area only for access to secure your cleats.
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Thats exactly my concern. changing the cleat position may weaken the cleat ability to hold the boat secure to the dock.
I'll take a look at BoatUS write about that matter.
In any case I'll take your advise concerning the stuff around the cleat.
I'll also try to get in touch with Marlow-Hunter engineering to have their opinion, even though I am almost sure they won't like the idea
 
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Hi Udi, if you decide in the end to relocate the cleat to the new spot, be sure to back the cleat with an oversized plate washer in order to spread the shear/vertical load that the FRP bulkhead will receive. Also, the corner where that bulkhead joins to the transom, is it heavily or lightly tabbed or what type of joinery did MH use? If lightly, that could become a point of stress failure unlike where it is currently located.

If MH advises against that location, we hope one would take their advice and leave the cleat where it is and find a way to accommodate. It appears from the picture that the current location provides a better shear load strength than the new location, which seems to have a more vertical load placed on it.
 
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JamesG161

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Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Udi said:
At the present position of the cleats the approach for tying is much harder than other boats I know.
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There a many ways to berth a boat without using those cleats.

For our home berthing, we use a pre-done line that can be looped over the stern cleats, by hand or pole, from the dock.
Jim...
 
Udi

Udi

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Mar 23, 2021
87
Hunter 45 ds 2010 Jaffa
Terry Cox said:
Hi Udi, if you decide in the end to relocate the cleat to the new spot, be sure to back the cleat with an oversized plate washer in order to spread the shear/vertical load that the FRP bulkhead will receive. Also, the corner where that bulkhead joins to the transom, is it heavily or lightly tabbed or what type of joinery did MH use? If lightly, that could become a point of stress failure unlike where it is currently located.

If MH advises against that location, we hope one would take their advice and leave the cleat where it is and find a way to accommodate. It appears from the picture that the current location provides a better shear load strength than the new location, which seems to have a more vertical load placed on it.
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Hi!
I'll consult my local shipyard, but I'll take my final decision after I'll have an answer fro MH.
thanks very much for your advise , it helped a lot.
thanks again.
Udi.
 
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