In deep on my V17

rgranger · Nov 29, 2011

Nice job on the hull. She will be a new boat when you are done

THECUSCUS · Nov 30, 2011

If you haven't made your new forestay attachment, you might want to consider what I did with mine. It would certainly be easier for you to do it, since you have the deck off and can access the bow real easy. And while you are in there, you could do a nice rebuild of the bow eye (assuming yours is bad like most of 'em).
http://www.macgregorsailors.com/modt/index.php?view=1357

BTW, your pics and commentary are great! Bet you can't wait to sail her. My rebuild took me a year, and was well worth the effort as I now have a "new" boat and can sail her hard without fear of anything not working properly.

rgranger · Nov 30, 2011

THECUSCUS said:
If you haven't made your new forestay attachment, you might want to consider what I did with mine..

I really like your forestay attachment.

Question: Why did you put your navigation lights on the bow the way you did. To my thinking, they are already too low as they were originally on the bow so I'm thinking of a tri-light on the mast so as to get the lights higher and more visible. I would like to hear what you think of them good or bad the way you have them now.

THECUSCUS · Nov 30, 2011

RGRANGER: Thanks for the compliment. I put my bow lights in that location mostly for the ease and simplicity of wiring them up and because i liked those style LED's. They are VERY bright, and in my mind I am more fearful of powerboaters hitting me........and I don't think most of them would have the forewithall to look as high up as the masthead to see them there. Again for simplicity, I didn't consider the mast head ( if I was sailing out in the open ocean, then yes, they'd be up there.....but I wouldn't be in a Macgregor...lol). I sail in the Chesapeake and the water is fairly flat and most other boats are on my "level" ( I stay out of the shipping channels too) and should be able to see me.

THECUSCUS · Dec 1, 2011

As you can see, my bow/deck is pretty crowded, so keeping the stem fitting clear worked out well for me. Plus, it is stronger having the load pulling at the front of the bow (much thicker material than the deck).

rgranger · Dec 1, 2011

THECUSCUS said:
As you can see, my bow/deck is pretty crowded, so keeping the stem fitting clear worked out well for me. Plus, it is stronger having the load pulling at the front of the bow (much thicker material than the deck).

Hey Cuscus....

So I see a hawespipe on your deck.

By chance did you design a chain locker inside as well? And if so, could we get specs and a pic? I'd love to do that to my boat.

r

THECUSCUS · Dec 1, 2011

.....as a matter of fact I did!
http://www.macgregorsailors.com/modt/index.php?view=1403

I have since installed a 14lb Delta anchor on the bow roller and did away with the one in the picture. I tied the bitter end of the rode to an eye strap under the v-berth. And of course there is a nice wooden cover that covers the chain/rope which is not shown in the picture.

rgranger · Dec 1, 2011

That looks like a good way to go. On the V22-2, I do not have a forward bulkhead in my V-birth. The v-birth goes all the way to the bow. So I guess I could build a bulkhead if I wanted to try something like this. I've often wondered if you could build a chain locker on a V22-2 that would drain above the water line. (either port or starboard) and also build the chain locker with a sloping bottom that ended at the drain. It would be easy to keep clean (and to clean) that way. I guess the disadvantage of this sort of set up would be the weight of the chain being high in the boat. But I don't use that much chain. And right now I keep my chain in 3" PVC pipe (one of Sumner's ideas) attached to the bow pulpit (weight is even higher with this set up). Sorry Holly... I guess I hijacked your thread.... I'll move on.:hijacked:

Sumner · Dec 1, 2011

Well before I get to the "hijack" let me say....

....that looks great. Can't wait to see the boat done :dance:

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Now for the hijack....

rgranger said:
.... right now I keep my chain in 3" PVC pipe (one of Sumner's ideas) attached to the bow pulpit (weight is even higher with this set up). Sorry Holly... I guess I hijacked your thread.... I'll move on.:hijacked:

Actually I copied the idea....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-4.html

...from someone else and now we use...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-index.html

...bow rollers which we love. I'd considered a chain locker as it would look better than the bags we use, but I'm really a 'function first' type person and I just believe that going on and coming off anchor, which we do a lot, the bags work quicker and easier. Never had a problem with them yet. For us obviously the weight deal doesn't matter.

Now saying that I love the clean look of an anchor locker setup. We have an anchor locker on the Endeavour, but I also put on a...

.... big plastic chest on the bow that acts like the bags, bottom left arrow. I think we will continue to use it with the primary anchor and keep having the rode for the secondary anchor in the anchor locker. If we ever get a windlass, I like to if I could figure out how, for the Endeavour then I think we would have 2 anchor lockers (1 large divided one).

Ok....now for some more great work pictures,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

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MrBill_FLL · Dec 1, 2011

rgranger said:
That looks like a good way to go. On the V22-2, I do not have a forward bulkhead in my V-birth. The v-birth goes all the way to the bow. So I guess I could build a bulkhead if I wanted to try something like this. I've often wondered if you could build a chain locker on a V22-2 that would drain above the water line. (either port or starboard) and also build the chain locker with a sloping bottom that ended at the drain. It would be easy to keep clean (and to clean) that way. I guess the disadvantage of this sort of set up would be the weight of the chain being high in the boat. But I don't use that much chain. And right now I keep my chain in 3" PVC pipe (one of Sumner's ideas) attached to the bow pulpit (weight is even higher with this set up). Sorry Holly... I guess I hijacked your thread.... I'll move on.:hijacked:

Looking sharp! opening ports will be very nice.

I've seen pictures of what you are describing on a 26. it sloped forward, had a hole at bow and the bottom of the anchor locker and was covered with a SS clam. he made a cardboard mockup then cut thin wood and glassed it. -IIRC.

Hey Sum, just 1 more BOAT buck and you can get a windless for the mac!
http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8335&lid=27543

but then you'd need dedicated battery!

nemosuit · Dec 3, 2011

I've been bypassing this thread because the title said it's about a V-17 and I don't have one of those. But when it hit three pages of activity, I got curious. Wow! Lots of da good shtuff here!

First of all, Hollyweirdos: absolutely INSANE build, brah! "Let's just take it all the way apart and put it all back together again!" Great stuff. Gonna be better than new.

Well photo-documented, too. I've learned a lot from this thread.

I didn't know MacGregor used screws to secure the cap to the hull. Going into my 78M22, it looks like the PO has already been there: surfaces are clean and held together by machine screws and nuts, as others have mentioned in this thread.

At this point the plan is to get the hull seaworthy and take her on some short jaunts looking for leaks. Shouldn't have to go too far out past the breakwater to give her a good "dunk test" in bumpy water.

VBR,

Pat

Sumner · Dec 4, 2011

You've done so much work I think I would not use the strip of wood even if it is epoxied in. I think sooner or latter it would come back to haunt you or the next owner. Either water would get into it somewhere or the screws would possibly start to work loose. Just an opinion.

Now if you are anyone is looking for stainless Steel screws, bolts, nuts, ect. I've been ordering from Albany County Fasteners...

http://www.albanycountyfasteners.com/default.asp

...the prices are the best I've seen anywhere, the freight is cheap and they will get the stuff right out to you. The prices are so good that I order a 100 at a time as I can get 100 from them for what about 10-20 cost me at the Ace Hardware here.

One other item I love and that is this...

.... Pro-Blend Anti-Seize from Speedway Motors....

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Pro-Blend-Anti-Seize,1867.html

....I put a couple drops on a bolt or screw and so far in salt and fresh water nothing has begun to seize up. I've used other anti-seize pastes and such from the auto-parts stores but they are a lot more of a mess to apply. This stuff is just like a heavier oil and easy to use with the bottle. A bottle will last you forever.

Good luck and I'll bet you are getting excited about getting the boat in the water,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

Mac-Venture Links

Sumner · Dec 4, 2011

Hollyweirdos said:
..I can probably crawl back to the hard spots. Or maybe I can install some access plates.

One thing to keep in mind is that you have the boat in front of you and I don't, so what I suggest might not be best. It also could possibly be a combo of both methods, but I like the bolt/screw/nut combo the best and would probably use the SS nylocs from the place I posted.

Also any small kids available that you can bribe to crawl up into the tight places?

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

Mac-Venture Links

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