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Jan 27, 2007
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Irwin 37' center cockpit cleveland ohio
now the learing curve begins

To remove the motor. Get a cheap (Harbor Freight has them) sawzall, a reciprocating saw by any other name. (Under $100.) Also a cheap burning torch wouldn't be a bad thing, but you don't have to have it. As you remove parts of the motor, look and see how they are put on. *** IMPORTANT**** Make darn sure the exhaust line is ABOVE the water line. It should go from the motor up to where the water comes in to cool the exhaust, then down to a box. Have a plug ready just in case. The first time I disassembled a motor I took torque readings as I did it. I looked for patterns as to how to torque junk back on. I reverse engineered it. Remove the parts and have fun at it. Can't get a bolt lose? Torch it till it's red hot, then take it out, or just burn the damn heads off the bolts, or sawzall the heads off. Anyway, the point is you will only need help with getting the block out as it is heavy and bulky. The rest of the parts should be light enough to carry out by yourself. *** Remove the oil any way you can****** And then, use your main sheet blocks on your boom to remove the heavy stuff. Move the blocks closer to the companionway opening. One part on the boom, the other part on the motor. Now you should have at least a three to one purchase. Cool huh? Pops that sucker right out. And put your new motor in the same way. And if you ever find a fat broad you want to get intimate with, you can lower her into the salon the same way! Using your sheet blocks on the boom is also a great way to bring those idiots who just want to go overboard back on board. As for the transmission....there is a possibility it is still good, even if it was under salt water. More than likely the filler/level check stick screwed in. If so, you are in luck. Just change the oil. As you do, note if any water was in it. If yes, hmmmmmm. If no, replace the oil and spin it by electric drill. Sound OK? Might be OK. If water was in it, then you will most likely have to take it apart to see if there was any damage to it internally. OK, you don't have to, take it to your local high school and talk to the mechanics teacher and have the students look at it, and, if necessary, rebuild it! My experience is they will do it for free for the experience. I ran out of beer. Till next time.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Letterman , good advise except for one thing

only a wealthy man can afford cheap tools. Buy the very best you can get.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I just received a reply from a Beta Marine diesel

engine dealer in Connecticut. $6900 and change for a three cylinder engine complete with transmission. FOB Newington ,CT. that is a far cry from 15 K.
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
I was asumming

there would be a 4-154 or equivilent in a 33 OI. Price that one out.
 
Oct 17, 2007
105
- - Chesapeake/ Fairfax va
Run Run

This is not worth it. You live in Fla. There will be plenty of salvaged boats after a storm. No bulkheads? You should not even be in this boat while its in the water. If you want experiance, work in in a yard part time and get paid (not much) but experiance will be worth more and you will have an opertunity to find an owner who just wants to dump their boat rather than pay 5 grand for a slip. There are alot of owners who don't even sail anymore and can't find a buyer and come to a conclusion, they are loosing more $$$ than waiting for years fora buyer to buy their boat for a fair price. If you don't have the $ go small and buy a trailable boat seaworthy boat compac, flika, cal 25, pearson triton. Smaller is sometimes better, you may even do more sailing going small. If you do keep it, forget the inboard and get a an outboard 8-15 hp (ugly but cheaper). I don't think you could afford a refit nor be worth it. Keep the boat light and empty out everything and simple, she will move faster. You will be a better sailer not relying in a high power motor anyway. Pull all the uneeded wood out or anything heavy. If you plan to sail her, she will have less stress on the rig. This is true for all old boats.
 
Jul 24, 2006
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Legnos, Starwind, Regal Mystic 30 cutter, 22 trailer sailor, bow rider NEW PORT RICHEY, FL
tick stick

hi Ross, and Letterman and captain E Ok Ross i need to know about a tick stick, i ass-ume it is some way of measuring length at eaven increments, say, taking lengths of a curve every 4 or 6 inchs and connect the dots? Good stuff agian Letterman-except the fat girl boarding thing! That motor has me excited, maybe i could get lucky and the guy has facility at waterside to drop in the new motor-side trip not too far south to port charlotte. Just got off the phone with the owner, he is sick, upper respiratory-bad, he has some local charts to "give" me! Really nice guy. Today is DAY 1, gonna go to the boat and work. Will post what i can tonight, if i'm not too tired. Will take suggestions for the naming of the boat. I can only imagine what some will say. Captain E- I have been looking for over two years-solid. The past year i go online twice a day, before work and after, all the sites. There just isn't any of the people out there just getting rid of their boats, they want big money for boats needing almost as much work as this one. I have volunteered in a boat manufacturing buisiness a friend of mine owns. Spent countless-hundreds of hours board sanding his plug for a 24 foot "cigarrettte" type power boat. He had me do all his fiberglass boat repair that came into the shop and would give me portion of the money for the repair. In turn i got to learn how to pull hulls apart, remove rotten transome wood, and rebuild and countless other repairs. Got pretty good at matching gelcoat colors-i used to be a paint contractor(in another life). I have had, and do have smaller sailboats, trailerable ones that I wouldn't sail for weeks on, but this one I will. Be back tonight. Should I start another post, this one is getting really long?
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
This boat...

This boat WILL cost you far MORE than buying one in sailable condition and you'll still be left with a boat that was never very desirable to begin with. You could very, very easily spend 20-30k or more and still have a boat worth only 8k max!! There is NO SUCH THING AS A FREE BOAT!!!! I spent over 6k this year alone on tweaks, fixes and upgrades on a boat most people would consider to be in "bristol" condition! This stuff adds up QUICKLY!!! DO NOT ACCEPT THIS BOAT you will soon find out it's not worth it then it will COST you money to dispose of it... I too have done many re-fits and there are NO short cuts and NO way to do it on the cheap and come out ahead...
 
Oct 17, 2007
105
- - Chesapeake/ Fairfax va
Learning from a free Boat

Main Sail, I think he is doing it for the experience. There are things you do just learn, many times they succeed because they want to prove to nay sayers. having said that, I do think he is starting out on a boat too big for him. I would of started in a small 15 to 23 boat project. Im NOT gonna shoot down his dream beacause, I don't think it is impossible. He could look around junk yards, ebay, and abandoned boats for parts. In my opinion, even if he does not finish this project, he will learn alot.That alone is priceless. People pay money to go learn this stuff on other people's boat or school. In today's age of internet, he can ask people in the sailing community for the best advice to tackle this project. SailormanbigD I suggest you have a digital camera and be able to upload pics to share, if you have any problem, someone in the board will be able to help. Im sure this topic would be helpfull for other people in similar projects. At least I am looking forward to see you do it. This sure beats watching dreamers who only dare to dream about owning and read about sailing. I for one admit had been one of those people to just spend counless hours in the book store and library just dreaming about boats. I realized its good to have dreams. It produces a goal, but not turning dreams into reality is the hardest part. Many don't do anything about it.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Success Stories

I have 2 success stories and 2 failures in regards to rebuilding boats. The success stories had taken place when I was in a financial position to be able to purchase the supplies/parts that I needed at the time I needed them - more or less. My 2 failures were both at a time when I was living paycheck to paycheck. It seemed like I rarely had the money to keep my project moving forward. When I was able to make a purchase of parts, it was long in the coming and a case of too little too late.. Anyone else have similar experiences? Tony B
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
TonyB, That is precisely why it took me

9 years to do Bietzpadlin. If you work with a good plan and purchase material ahead you can succeed but the project will move in fits and starts. Sometimes it will languish for weeks or longer and sometimes it will get your undivided attention for several weeks. If sailing is also very important then having a small boat that will fill that need is a big help.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Ross

I sometimes entertain the idea of building a houseboat or trawler for use in about 10 years from now. For me, building from scratch is much faster, easier and more pleasurable than restoring. Anyway, I'm still not sure if I want to build from scratch or buy one in OK condition and just put new motor in it. Then I can perform all of the cosmetic surgery in my spare time. Its a tough decision, but experience has taught me alot. In my particular situation, a basket case is out of the question. Tony B
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Tony B, For me this is a matter of Been there,

Done that, Got the Tee shirt, move on to the next. Quite often we have boats around here that have good strong fiberglass hulls and a rotten wooden topsides. They strike me as being a good foundation to build on. One man took a 36 foot cabin cruiser that was in that shape and converted it into a party fishing boat all open but for a little pilot house with a head. Just a simple engine cover and nice wide gunwales with sockets for fishing rods.
 

nebo

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Oct 24, 2006
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Macgregor 22 Interstate 66
Free???

The two most expensive things in the world are a free boat and a woman free for the evening. Having said that, I also have lost my shirt on a rebuild. I started with a Columbia 26 that ended up dancing with a chainsaw. Fortunately, I was able to salvage most everything that was worth the time to unbolt. I only wound up down about $2K. It was just too far from home to work on regularly. I still love that boat, and I never even got it wet. I learned many things. Now I have a Mac 222 ($650) that I can dry-sail every day, and often do, as well as take with me anywhere. I even used it sometimes as a camper to go on out-of-town jobs of short duration. She has much of the old C-26's salvaged hardware on her and came with a full suite of sails in excellent shape, but the price tag keeps getting higher every day. On another project for a friend of mine, we made temporary bulkheads by using 2x4 cross braces resting on a strip of 3/4" plywood (used like a stringer) with 2x4 spacers between (vertically) held in with plywood strips and screws. Good luck, and good working. If this is what you want, DO IT! nebo
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Nebo , the reason a boat is referred to in the

feminine is because the rigging costs more than the hull. ;)
 

Doug L

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Sep 9, 2006
80
South Coast 22 MI
Wow, a lot of response on this one!

I am not going to rain on your parade sailormanbigd, there seem to be plenty of others to handle that part. If this is what you want to do, best of luck to you. I would be leary of trying to sail the boat to it's new home with no bulkheads in anything but very mild weather, the hull will be weak. Your 8 hp outboard should move it OK. I will suggest that I have seen a number of abandoned boats in boatyards that I would think could be purchased pretty cheap, but that may be harder to find in FLA than here in michigan.
 
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