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My point exactly
I am really torn both ways for this guy . 1 ) He has no money so this is a way for him to enter his dream BUT 2 ) This is going to cost WAY more then he realizes and he is going to be upside down in the boat. None of us here are trying to pour water on his dream ,just be a little more creative on how you get there And be safe doing it. Your kids need you man! Why not sell your other boat and use it to buy a workable platform to build off of? I agree to much out there is priced to high for what it is but most of it aint selling either. Make some offers and let them come to you. Scott
I am really torn both ways for this guy . 1 ) He has no money so this is a way for him to enter his dream BUT 2 ) This is going to cost WAY more then he realizes and he is going to be upside down in the boat. None of us here are trying to pour water on his dream ,just be a little more creative on how you get there And be safe doing it. Your kids need you man! Why not sell your other boat and use it to buy a workable platform to build off of? I agree to much out there is priced to high for what it is but most of it aint selling either. Make some offers and let them come to you. Scott
Stillrainning, There will be times when he will
need large chunks of money and then he will have the material he needs for a couple of weeks work. He will need to develope a plan and follow it, modify it as it needs changing and persist.
need large chunks of money and then he will have the material he needs for a couple of weeks work. He will need to develope a plan and follow it, modify it as it needs changing and persist.
I agree
But there are alot of challenges that come in life. By your posted picturs you apear to most likly be retired, (I will now ask for your forgivness if Im wrong ) this guy is still working ,raising a family with all its comitments , time requirments and challenges. There are a lot of things that are going to steel his material money. I guess I am unfairly reading into what he is expecting to get out of this boat . He wants to sail off into the wild blue, is what I got. So Im not thinking bare bones racing striped hull here but decked out with most crusing comforts. Try building a car that will run down the highway from an ond rusted hulk sitting in some old field ,bolt by bolt, it's going to cost you 2 to 3 times what you can go out and buy a reliabal ride for.
But there are alot of challenges that come in life. By your posted picturs you apear to most likly be retired, (I will now ask for your forgivness if Im wrong ) this guy is still working ,raising a family with all its comitments , time requirments and challenges. There are a lot of things that are going to steel his material money. I guess I am unfairly reading into what he is expecting to get out of this boat . He wants to sail off into the wild blue, is what I got. So Im not thinking bare bones racing striped hull here but decked out with most crusing comforts. Try building a car that will run down the highway from an ond rusted hulk sitting in some old field ,bolt by bolt, it's going to cost you 2 to 3 times what you can go out and buy a reliabal ride for.
Stillrainning, I was 53 when that picture was
taken. I am 69 today and I am not retired nor do I plan to retire. I would question a persons commitment to a dream if he or she could not find the means to care for a family and pursue a dream. I spread the cost of rebuilding Bietzpadlin over 10 years. The summer we launched her Nancy was diagnosed with breast cancer. Insurance covered much of the cost but not all within a couple of years we will be debt free and healthy enough to continue to enjoy the boat for some years to come. Nancy has recovered completely from the treatment for her cancer and is again a vigorous woman. If you wait until you can afford something you will never have children or a home or a boat or any of the many things in life that won't wait for ..................................
taken. I am 69 today and I am not retired nor do I plan to retire. I would question a persons commitment to a dream if he or she could not find the means to care for a family and pursue a dream. I spread the cost of rebuilding Bietzpadlin over 10 years. The summer we launched her Nancy was diagnosed with breast cancer. Insurance covered much of the cost but not all within a couple of years we will be debt free and healthy enough to continue to enjoy the boat for some years to come. Nancy has recovered completely from the treatment for her cancer and is again a vigorous woman. If you wait until you can afford something you will never have children or a home or a boat or any of the many things in life that won't wait for ..................................
- Jul 24, 2006
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WOW, SO MANY REPLIES.-FREE BOAT
Ross, you sure are a craftsman. And have great advise. I talked to the donator this evening. The boat never did sank-close though it had 2-3 feet above the sole that had to be pumped out. He was'nt sure where it came from-rudder post, thru hull, packing gland...He has owned the boat for 20 years-had liver failure, and a subsequent liver transplant. Wasn't able to tend to the boat. His shore power quit and the pumps did too. He is a very nice guy. Named the boat for his daughter, and as early as 3 months ago was going to rebuild her, but the dock fees skyrocketed and he can't aford $700 a quarter for a maybe project. I am going down to the boat and takining pics, inventory, pumping out water, and general cleanning. He can't because of the risk of getting infection and rejecting the liver. He has taken the boat all over the bahamas. I plan on building the bulkheads-maybe temporary ones like suggested. Checking the rig closely, and toing it out to open water-about a mile thru channel at Davis Island in Tampa, then on prevailing winds sai through Tampa bay and under the sunshine skyway, past egmont key, then take the outside up to hudson where the free dock is at. It is something around 90nm. I am guessing at 4kn an hour to take close to 24 hours, probably more. I will dive on boat and scrape most of the barnicles-i hope. The weather is just gorgeous here 82 and light breezes. I hope for 10-15 steady but will sail in 5-10, if thats what is blowing when i leave. One of the scarriest parts is the cut through the skyway-i've seen it pretty rough through there. I will stop before dark and hang a light somewhere and only sail in the daylight. Thanks again for the advice. I will get it structurraly sound and sail it around, then build/mainain as i go. Hope to finish in 4-5 years. But are you ever really finished fixing/repairing/upgradeing? Patrick
Ross, you sure are a craftsman. And have great advise. I talked to the donator this evening. The boat never did sank-close though it had 2-3 feet above the sole that had to be pumped out. He was'nt sure where it came from-rudder post, thru hull, packing gland...He has owned the boat for 20 years-had liver failure, and a subsequent liver transplant. Wasn't able to tend to the boat. His shore power quit and the pumps did too. He is a very nice guy. Named the boat for his daughter, and as early as 3 months ago was going to rebuild her, but the dock fees skyrocketed and he can't aford $700 a quarter for a maybe project. I am going down to the boat and takining pics, inventory, pumping out water, and general cleanning. He can't because of the risk of getting infection and rejecting the liver. He has taken the boat all over the bahamas. I plan on building the bulkheads-maybe temporary ones like suggested. Checking the rig closely, and toing it out to open water-about a mile thru channel at Davis Island in Tampa, then on prevailing winds sai through Tampa bay and under the sunshine skyway, past egmont key, then take the outside up to hudson where the free dock is at. It is something around 90nm. I am guessing at 4kn an hour to take close to 24 hours, probably more. I will dive on boat and scrape most of the barnicles-i hope. The weather is just gorgeous here 82 and light breezes. I hope for 10-15 steady but will sail in 5-10, if thats what is blowing when i leave. One of the scarriest parts is the cut through the skyway-i've seen it pretty rough through there. I will stop before dark and hang a light somewhere and only sail in the daylight. Thanks again for the advice. I will get it structurraly sound and sail it around, then build/mainain as i go. Hope to finish in 4-5 years. But are you ever really finished fixing/repairing/upgradeing? Patrick
sounds like another rescue waiting to happen
Without sounding too condescending, does anyone do vessel inspections in Tampa Bay?
Without sounding too condescending, does anyone do vessel inspections in Tampa Bay?
Patrick , trim your sails to limit you speed
to 3.5-4.5 knots while you are taking the boat home. Much less stress. Travel only in daylight. Kerosene lanterns are valid for anchor lights. Make a plan so that you don't have to undo work that you have completed. Make certain that your chain plates can carry your sails. Holes in fiberglass are easy to repair. Come back often and ask questions.
to 3.5-4.5 knots while you are taking the boat home. Much less stress. Travel only in daylight. Kerosene lanterns are valid for anchor lights. Make a plan so that you don't have to undo work that you have completed. Make certain that your chain plates can carry your sails. Holes in fiberglass are easy to repair. Come back often and ask questions.
Sometimes ya just gotta go for it !
Sailor man this adventure will at the very least give you something to smile about years from now! You should give us more precise details as to the timing of your departure. There are many creative ways the people here can help. Tell us what you have and need. I could loan you a vhf,a cell phone and possibly a 10 horse honda out board. I can also imagine we could band together and keep complete tabs on your progress to Hudson. It might also be possible that some of us might be able to escort you on some of the trip in our own boats. If you were to anchor on the south side of Egmont (just inside passage key) on a Friday night, Im sure there would be a powerboat willing to tow you out into the gulf on Saturday morning. good luck and keep us updated on departure! Let's keep the ball rolling who has a serviceable dingy or out board bracket they can loan Sailorman for his initial trip? My cell is 812-447-0217 Email is rlancesnider@yahoo.com
Sailor man this adventure will at the very least give you something to smile about years from now! You should give us more precise details as to the timing of your departure. There are many creative ways the people here can help. Tell us what you have and need. I could loan you a vhf,a cell phone and possibly a 10 horse honda out board. I can also imagine we could band together and keep complete tabs on your progress to Hudson. It might also be possible that some of us might be able to escort you on some of the trip in our own boats. If you were to anchor on the south side of Egmont (just inside passage key) on a Friday night, Im sure there would be a powerboat willing to tow you out into the gulf on Saturday morning. good luck and keep us updated on departure! Let's keep the ball rolling who has a serviceable dingy or out board bracket they can loan Sailorman for his initial trip? My cell is 812-447-0217 Email is rlancesnider@yahoo.com
Ross
not sure which of us wins the sarcasm award. Every time I hear something like this, I can't help shake my head in disbelief there are still people like those I remember rescuing many years ago in my former CG life who go to sea, albeit a protected one, in boats that barely float, risking both their life and mine just to save a few bucks.
not sure which of us wins the sarcasm award. Every time I hear something like this, I can't help shake my head in disbelief there are still people like those I remember rescuing many years ago in my former CG life who go to sea, albeit a protected one, in boats that barely float, risking both their life and mine just to save a few bucks.
Now were getting somewhere
Hay you are talking to a major dreamer and a can do attitude guy, I hope it works out for him and with Cloud Nines post it looks like there is a support bace there to help him get safly to his free dock 90mi upwind. Thats my main concern for him. You'v got my blessing Saliorman for whatever thats worth. Keep us posted with pictures of you progress. If I lived close by I'd give you a days labor. God bless.
Hay you are talking to a major dreamer and a can do attitude guy, I hope it works out for him and with Cloud Nines post it looks like there is a support bace there to help him get safly to his free dock 90mi upwind. Thats my main concern for him. You'v got my blessing Saliorman for whatever thats worth. Keep us posted with pictures of you progress. If I lived close by I'd give you a days labor. God bless.
Don, I have often wondered how many people would
venture out in their ramshackle boats if they knew there was no chance of rescue. In a post I made earlier this week I posed the question "if you were dismasted above the lower spreaders?" and one responder suggested pushing the button on the epirb. Were people more self reliant in the days be for long range radio and rescue? I would not for a minute suggest that Patrick set out in a boat that was falling apart but we both know what is necessary to be sure that the boat will bring us back. If his standing rig and his rudder is dependable and if his boat doesn't leak. Then he CAN sail it from point "A" to point "B". He must be prudent and avoid a "macho" attitude about getting the job done.
venture out in their ramshackle boats if they knew there was no chance of rescue. In a post I made earlier this week I posed the question "if you were dismasted above the lower spreaders?" and one responder suggested pushing the button on the epirb. Were people more self reliant in the days be for long range radio and rescue? I would not for a minute suggest that Patrick set out in a boat that was falling apart but we both know what is necessary to be sure that the boat will bring us back. If his standing rig and his rudder is dependable and if his boat doesn't leak. Then he CAN sail it from point "A" to point "B". He must be prudent and avoid a "macho" attitude about getting the job done.
It is getting clearer
The boat did not sink. That means most, if not all of the electronics above the water line are OK. Now, how long did it stay waterlogged? And, you still need to find the source of it. My guess would be a very slow leak. If it was not, she would have sunk. Would a cheap, yet functional way to make it so the hull does not flex (seeing as there are no bulkheads and he has no intent on putting them in yet) be to buy several cans of Great Stuff Foam and spray it where the bulkhead use to be? As it expands it will put some pressure on the hull outward, but not a lot as it will have the interior to rise and expand. This will also keep the hull from oil-canning temporarily. And, it can be easily removed later on. I did this with another foam (closed cell) on my 19'er and it helped immensely. To save more money, he can find any solid rigid foam and put it in the bilge and only use the GS foam as a glue to hold it in place. And if so, he can do it in two or three areas to section off the bilge, thereby increasing the chances of finding the leak, and containing it if it is not necessary to repair immediately. It would give the bilge pumps less work to do. I have some 4' foam that would be ideal as you could cut it and make temporary bulkheads out of it at any thickness he desires in 4" increments. I have no idea where it came from as my son-in-law brought it home one day.
The boat did not sink. That means most, if not all of the electronics above the water line are OK. Now, how long did it stay waterlogged? And, you still need to find the source of it. My guess would be a very slow leak. If it was not, she would have sunk. Would a cheap, yet functional way to make it so the hull does not flex (seeing as there are no bulkheads and he has no intent on putting them in yet) be to buy several cans of Great Stuff Foam and spray it where the bulkhead use to be? As it expands it will put some pressure on the hull outward, but not a lot as it will have the interior to rise and expand. This will also keep the hull from oil-canning temporarily. And, it can be easily removed later on. I did this with another foam (closed cell) on my 19'er and it helped immensely. To save more money, he can find any solid rigid foam and put it in the bilge and only use the GS foam as a glue to hold it in place. And if so, he can do it in two or three areas to section off the bilge, thereby increasing the chances of finding the leak, and containing it if it is not necessary to repair immediately. It would give the bilge pumps less work to do. I have some 4' foam that would be ideal as you could cut it and make temporary bulkheads out of it at any thickness he desires in 4" increments. I have no idea where it came from as my son-in-law brought it home one day.
Before you accept the gift, sit down and
draw up a budget about the expenses you will be incurring in refiting this boat. Only then can you determine if it is a good deal or not. With all the bulkheads removed I would not consider the boat seaworthy for a 30-40 mile sail. The hull needs the structural support of the bulkheads. Is the water inside the boat rainwater or does it have a leak? From what you describe it sounds like this one is to far gone to warrant a monetary investment. It sounds to me like the cost of disposing of it heavily ouweighs the value it may have. Consider putting your money on a smaller boat in working condition.
draw up a budget about the expenses you will be incurring in refiting this boat. Only then can you determine if it is a good deal or not. With all the bulkheads removed I would not consider the boat seaworthy for a 30-40 mile sail. The hull needs the structural support of the bulkheads. Is the water inside the boat rainwater or does it have a leak? From what you describe it sounds like this one is to far gone to warrant a monetary investment. It sounds to me like the cost of disposing of it heavily ouweighs the value it may have. Consider putting your money on a smaller boat in working condition.
- Jul 24, 2006
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Wow, so many views and responses
Hey Ross, I am detecting some positive optimism, thanks. I am not a reclass fool. The boat will be seaworthy before i leave, will not take on any passengers,my risk/my adventure/my reward. Boat is an hour ride by truck, and i plan on spending all daylight hours on Tues. on her. I am not sure about what the guy with the foam idea is suggesting. Not looking to jury rig if i can help it. Depends on how long I can keep it there. The hull is sound, deck is solid, standing rigging is clean/heavy and at a quick glance sound. Havent checked the chain plates. I will take lots of pics for the "before" of this project. I have looked at ebay for diesel engines and looks like eventually i can get one under 2k. I did'nt notice any electronics onboard, must be something if he cruised it? I am just overwhelmed by the advice and offers to help out, escort, send equiptment, etc. This is truely a great country, makes me wonder why I want to sail to others. I am a registered nurse and plan to first sail the gulf of Mexico, doing 3mo travel assignments at coastal hospitals. Eventually sail south of TX and through the canal to west coast. Ive always wanted to see Wash state and there coastal communities. I am not getting any younger and feel that if I wait to long, my dream will just fade away. My proffession is a big part of my "do it" attitude. There are so many people that have life changing illnesses, that it really hits home the saying, do it now before its too late, and you never know when its your turn. Especially when my patients are younger than me. Back to the boat: I have handheld gps and vhf and cell phone, but thanks for the generous offer. I also have a 16ft canoe that someone gave me-had to glass the split hull and build seats, but it is solid. I have been messing around with boats ever since i sailed on a neighbors styrifoam dinghy. My girlfriend and I fought over who got to "steer". I have been hoocked ever since. Sailed a 14ft kite all over Dunedin area, got a nice fisshingpole at the bottom there too. Saile the 14 to Anclote key a bunch of times-still puts a smile on my face thinking about it. I once bought a 14ft made by AMF for 75 that lost its masttrack. I glassed a 1/2inch pvc pipe to the mast, then built a jig for my circularsaw and cut the groove. Boat sailed good, but didn't keep it because my kids where to little and my wife could'nt go. Now she is my ex. oh well. Just got off track.I will keep posted so people can see how it goes.
Hey Ross, I am detecting some positive optimism, thanks. I am not a reclass fool. The boat will be seaworthy before i leave, will not take on any passengers,my risk/my adventure/my reward. Boat is an hour ride by truck, and i plan on spending all daylight hours on Tues. on her. I am not sure about what the guy with the foam idea is suggesting. Not looking to jury rig if i can help it. Depends on how long I can keep it there. The hull is sound, deck is solid, standing rigging is clean/heavy and at a quick glance sound. Havent checked the chain plates. I will take lots of pics for the "before" of this project. I have looked at ebay for diesel engines and looks like eventually i can get one under 2k. I did'nt notice any electronics onboard, must be something if he cruised it? I am just overwhelmed by the advice and offers to help out, escort, send equiptment, etc. This is truely a great country, makes me wonder why I want to sail to others. I am a registered nurse and plan to first sail the gulf of Mexico, doing 3mo travel assignments at coastal hospitals. Eventually sail south of TX and through the canal to west coast. Ive always wanted to see Wash state and there coastal communities. I am not getting any younger and feel that if I wait to long, my dream will just fade away. My proffession is a big part of my "do it" attitude. There are so many people that have life changing illnesses, that it really hits home the saying, do it now before its too late, and you never know when its your turn. Especially when my patients are younger than me. Back to the boat: I have handheld gps and vhf and cell phone, but thanks for the generous offer. I also have a 16ft canoe that someone gave me-had to glass the split hull and build seats, but it is solid. I have been messing around with boats ever since i sailed on a neighbors styrifoam dinghy. My girlfriend and I fought over who got to "steer". I have been hoocked ever since. Sailed a 14ft kite all over Dunedin area, got a nice fisshingpole at the bottom there too. Saile the 14 to Anclote key a bunch of times-still puts a smile on my face thinking about it. I once bought a 14ft made by AMF for 75 that lost its masttrack. I glassed a 1/2inch pvc pipe to the mast, then built a jig for my circularsaw and cut the groove. Boat sailed good, but didn't keep it because my kids where to little and my wife could'nt go. Now she is my ex. oh well. Just got off track.I will keep posted so people can see how it goes.
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