can't pump out waste tank

Apr 5, 2009
2,826
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Danger Will Robinson!!! Having a 2003 boat makes your macerator(s) almost 20 years old. You should replace the macerator(s) before the bolts rust away and deposit poop like substances into your bilge. Ask me how I know this. Also my macerator failed years before it rotted out. I cruise the Chesapeake so the macerator was a non starter so I stupidly did not pay attention to it. My money is on a broken macerator(s). Fair warning.
I had the same thing happen to me. And of course, it was on a day that I was sailing with guests! :yikes::eek::puke::banghead:
 
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Aug 18, 2018
120
Hunter 410 MDR
Thanks for the comments. I'm really hoping it's a deck pump cap.
@JamesG161, since I was able to pump out, does that mean I can rule out a plugged hold tank vent line? It seems like like a blockage there would prohibit pumping out also?
@Windpilot, is taking off the macerator and running a snake down the line to the holding tank a good idea?
Attached are a few diagrams for the record. Of course I have the vacupump between the head and the holding tank, which is not shown.
thanks, John
You're macerater unlike mine is in line with your deck pump out. If you pumped it out dockside the line to the bottom of the tank is already clear, the overboard line after the macerater could be suspect as well as the through hull valve. I would worry that that hose could blow however then using the pump, obviously it didn't happen to you.
That deck fill cap possibly leaking would be on my mind but I have no hands on experience with your pump out setup/if that could cause your problem, my guess is yes
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,736
- - LIttle Rock
since I was able to pump out, does that mean I can rule out a plugged hold tank vent line? It seems like like a blockage there would prohibit pumping out also?
It should...but there's an easy way to prevent vent blockages: replace the "vent" thru-hull with an open bulkhead or "mushroom" thru-hull--the kind your bilge pumps drains out of. Not only do they allow a lot better air exchange with the gasses in the tank, essential to creating the aerobic conditions needed to prevent odor, but it also allows you to put a hose nozzle against the thru-hull and backflush the vent line every time you wash the boat and/or pump out. Any overflow material or critters that have tried to set up housekeeping in it will get a water slide ride into the tank.

--Peggie
 
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JamesG161

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Feb 14, 2014
7,466
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
since I was able to pump out, does that mean I can rule out a plugged hold tank vent line?
Possibly Yes.
It would depend on how much time it took to pump out.

My forward hold tank takes about 15 minutes to empty, if completely full.
I tested that when I redid my forward Head.

You may be able to snake down into your HOLD tank from the Deck Pump out
Jim...
 
Apr 5, 2009
2,826
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
It should...but there's an easy way to prevent vent blockages: replace the "vent" thru-hull with an open bulkhead or "mushroom" thru-hull--the kind your bilge pumps drains out of. Not only do they allow a lot better air exchange with the gasses in the tank, essential to creating the aerobic conditions needed to prevent odor, but it also allows you to put a hose nozzle against the thru-hull and backflush the vent line every time you wash the boat and/or pump out. Any overflow material or critters that have tried to set up housekeeping in it will get a water slide ride into the tank.

--Peggie
I eliminated my Catalina stanchion vent with a 1"ø thru-hull at Peggie's suggestion last year and it has been a big improvement. The old vent limited the air flow so that when I pumped out, the pump would need to pull air through the head past the jocker valve to keep up.

I flush my vent every time I pump. I don't like the idea of putting the hose against the thru-hull because I worry about pressurizing the system. What I do is, while the pump out is running, I direct a stream of water at the thru-hull so that the suction created by the pump pulls as much water as is being removed. That way it is under suction and not pressure. This also has the effect of rinsing the bottom of the tank very well. I used to need to fill and dump the tank several times along with a lot of pumping of the head to get the outflow to run reasonably clear. Now I rinse the vent for about 30 seconds that the pump out sight window show completely clear water. :dancing::dancing::dancing:
 
Sep 11, 2011
395
Hunter 41AC Bayfield WI, Lake Superior
While we are on the subject of vent lines, last summer on our 2004 AC41, I was inspecting all the fittings and found that Hunter had used a bronze elbow coming off the tank for the vent line. It had completely separated from the tank due to corrosion. We always pump out well before the tank is full, so we had no issues. Had we filled the tank up, that bad fitting could have made a real mess. It has been replace with PVC. People may want to give their tanks a close look for any metal fittings.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,736
- - LIttle Rock
I don't like the idea of putting the hose against the thru-hull because I worry about pressurizing the system.
You wouldn't be flushing out the tank via the vent thru-hull, you'd only be cleaning out the vent line, which only takes a few short blasts of water. No way that can pressurize the system. But a blocked tank vent will.

And btw...you still need to flush out the tank 2-3 x a season and especially ahead of winter or other extended layup...it's not hard to do and doesn't require filling the tank with water. Put 4-6" of water into the tank via the deck pumpout fitting cuz that sends the water into the tank at the bottom to stir up any sludge...pump that out. Repeat...repeat...till you're pumping out clean water. A lot easier than filling the tank several times.

--Peggie
 
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Apr 5, 2009
2,826
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
You wouldn't be flushing out the tank via the vent thru-hull, you'd only be cleaning out the vent line, which only takes a few short blasts of water. No way that can pressurize the system. But a blocked tank vent will.

And btw...you still need to flush out the tank 2-3 x a season and especially ahead of winter or other extended layup...it's not hard to do and doesn't require filling the tank with water. Put 4-6" of water into the tank via the deck pumpout fitting cuz that sends the water into the tank at the bottom to stir up any sludge...pump that out. Repeat...repeat...till you're pumping out clean water. A lot easier than filling the tank several times.

--Peggie
By letting the pull on the vent line created by the inrushing air to replace what it pulled out by the pumpout, the water is sort of "shotgunned" into the tank. It makes a heavy large droplet spray pattern that covers about 1/2 of the tank from the outlet to midway back. Letting it do this for 30 seconds cleans all of the buildup down to the plastic bottom with almost no residue. It actually works much better than the "no-fuss flush" sprayer that I have on my RV.
Before I added the new 1" vent, I would flush by filling the tank via the deck pumpout fitting but still had problems with tank buildup because the water just flowed smoothly out of the large diameter hose and did not do much agitating of the stuff.
 
Apr 12, 2021
22
Hunter Passage 456 Honolulu
After replacing the macerator for the fwd toilet and snaking the line from macerator to the T with the holding tank-deck fitting and double checking the deck cap, I was able to pump out. Whew. Yet not sure which of the things I did fixed it. I'll do an autopsy on the old Macerator and see if it was good or not. If not I'll try refurbishing it to have a spare. Thanks for all the help. I'm done with poop projects for a while, yeah!