1976 Santana 21ft

[mhancock3123]

I am very new to sailing. My wife and I bought this boat used last year. It is a 1976 Santana 21ft sailboat. We took it out a couple of time and struggled a little. But the kids loved it. No problems we are signing up to take our ASA101 class this spring. We are wanting to do some updates to the boat. Update the interior and the paint. I also want new electronics. Also do a little work on the trailer.

So last weekend got the boat lifted off the trailer in my garage. I got the keel off as it is rusty and I want to check the cables. My question is the swing part is connected to the base by what looks like a pressed in pin. It does not appear to be a bolt. I am afraid to press it out or drill it out because I don’t think I could get another one to replace it. Has anyone else ran into this?

 

[rgranger]

The Rhodes 22 has a similar set up. Take another bolt and gently tap it out. After you clean it and maybe buff it... and put a little lube on it... the pin will slide back in. Regarding electronics.... most of what you need is now available as apps for a smart phone. Unless you plan to go more than 5 miles off shore, it will serve you well. Invest your money in a new main sail.... nothing else you do will have as big of an impact on your enjoyment of the boat.

 

[mhancock3123]

The Rhodes 22 has a similar set up. Take another bolt and gently tap it out. After you clean it and maybe buff it... and put a little lube on it... the pin will slide back in. Regarding electronics.... most of what you need is now available as apps for a smart phone. Unless you plan to go more than 5 miles off shore, it will serve you well. Invest your money in a new main sail.... nothing else you do will have as big of an impact on your enjoyment of the boat.

What keeps it in there. If I knock it out and then put it back, what keeps the bolt from sliding out?

as far as electronics I would like a stereo and vhf radio.We live within a couple hours of Lake Michigan and after our class and some time behind the rudder, I would like to take it there. Depth finder would be nice also.

 

[rgranger]

On the Rhodes there is a small ss plate that fits over the end. But if I’m not wrong won’t your pin be inside the keel trunk once you push it all back up in there? If that is correct the sides of the keel trunk hold the pin in place.

 

[LeeandRick]

In this PDF they discuss the keel pin on page 10

https://www.sailnet.com/attachments/schock-santana-21-manual-pdf.137844/

 

[mhancock3123]

In this PDF they discuss the keel pin on page 10

https://www.sailnet.com/attachments/schock-santana-21-manual-pdf.137844/

I like the idea of moving the winch to the back of the boat.

 

[Revv up]

If your going to “tap it out” I’d be looking for an aluminum or brass drift rather than anything steel, I’d rather the drift deformed and not the pin.

 

[mhancock3123]

If your going to “tap it out” I’d be looking for an aluminum or brass drift rather than anything steel, I’d rather the drift deformed and not the pin.

I don't think "tapping it out" is an option. It doesn't move at all. Does not budge. The keel swings freely on it, but that pin doesn't budge in the base. It doesn't appear to be welded in. I would like to get it apart so I can clean and paint this.

 

[rgranger]

It might be glued in with 5200... maybe try heating it????

 

[LeeandRick]

It's time for getting serious with the pin. Grind around the head of the pin both sides to clear surface corrosion. Heat the area both sides but not the pin, let cool for a few minutes, then put your favorite concoction of penetrating oil (google all the different things that people have come up with) on it for a day or so. Warm the the assembly around the pin then dry ice the pin. If it doesn't tap out it's stuck and needs to be drilled.

 

[SailingLoto]

It's time for getting serious with the pin. Grind around the head of the pin both sides to clear surface corrosion. Heat the area both sides but not the pin, let cool for a few minutes, then put your favorite concoction of penetrating oil (google all the different things that people have come up with) on it for a day or so. Warm the the assembly around the pin then dry ice the pin. If it doesn't tap out it's stuck and needs to be drilled.

I concur. Clean it up, put some heat and oil to it and see if it moves. Measure and see if one end us bigger than the other. It may only go through in one direction.

 

[mhancock3123]

That is this weekend's job. I will grind more around the pin and see if that helps. There is always a bigger persuader available. I think after I clean it up, fair it, primer it, and paint it, installing the base first will really help in putting the keel back on. If anything else it will help get rid of some of the weight.

 

[mhancock3123]

On a side note. I rebuilt the table in the galley. It wasn't much, but it was falling apart. I got the first couple coats of stain on it. I still have to put the clear on. Here are some before and after pics. I would like to change all the interior wood to the lighter slate color. I think the getting rid of the dark colors and putting the lighter colors in there will help brighten it up.

 

[Benny17441]

The Santana 21’s unique keel is both fixed and retractable. The fixed portion is 12 inches deep and is securely attached to a reinforced section of the hull with six galvanized steel keel bolts. Housed within the forward section is a cast iron hinge which weights approximately 100 pounds and is 19″ x 12″. This sturdy hinge gives the swing keel superior lateral support and protects it during beaching maneuvers. The hinge also allows for the mounting of the pivot bolt in cast iron rather than in fiberglass. Wearing and eventual leakage around the pivot bolt is therefore impossible. The swing keel itself is constructed entirely of cast iron and combines with the hinge to make a total keel weight of 550 pounds. It is easily raised and lowered by a special winch which is safe and simple to operate. The keel cable is, by the way, completely concealed within the fixed keel where it cannot cause harmonic vibration or act as a kelp and garbage collector. The Santana 21 was designed to go places… so it is easy to trailer and to launch and recover. With the swing keel in the “up” position, the keel extends only 12 inches below the bottom of the boat; so with the detachable rudder off, the Santana 21 is free to slide into the water without a snag. Rigging the Santana 21 mast is a quick and easy operation because of the specially designed mast hinge. Simply place the mast into the hinge, walk the mast up, and secure the forestay. While on the road going to your favorite sailing spot, you will find the Santana 21 a convenient camper. Instead of using a motel, you can just pull off the road, climb aboard, and enjoy the same cruising accommodations as you would afloat. Incredibly Complete Interior The attractive interior of the Santana 21 has more than enough room for the average cruising family. It sleeps four on full-sized berths below and has room for two more in the spacious cockpit. The head compartment is located in an isolated spot just forward of the main bulkhead. The head area has plenty of elbow and leg room and enough space for a self-contained toilet. A Design That Will Perform This swing keel design was a natural for the W.D. Schock Corporation because the firm has had more that twenty years experience in making the world’s most competitive centerboarders and the finest racing/cruising keel boats. The Santana 21’s long waterline, high aspect ratio keel and outboard rudder combine to make her sensitive and responsive in either light or heavy air. Enough Cockpit For The Entire Family The spacious cockpit is self-bailing and features fully non-skid seats and cockpit sole. With a large crew aboard, the seats convert easily in to another two berths for sleeping under the stars. Efficient Sail Plan The high aspect ratio 7/8 rig offer excellent performance over a wide range of sailing conditions. The small main and large headsail combination is designed to give exceptional light air performance while making the Santana 21 a stable, easy-to-handle boat in heavy weather.​ Here is a pdf with documentation for tuning the rig, working on the keel and keel mechanism . Plus various other topics written up by prior owners. full manual in pdf format for santana 21 On the sub pages to this page are also some write ups of some projects I have done.

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[mhancock3123]

I GOT IT!!!! The pin finally came out and they are separated. I am starting to clean the base now. It was a pain in the butt, but I finally got it to move.

 

[mhancock3123]

So I started cleaning the base. I used 40 grit flapper disk on my grinder. I am using Totalboat products. I should be coating it with a rust inhibitor, then I will fair it, then use an epoxy primer.

 

[rgranger]

Nice work
Looks great

 

[Project_Mayhem]

If I knock it out and then put it back, what keeps the bolt from sliding out?

On some boats its the keel trunk that keeps it centered. Use 50/50 ratio of acetone and ATF as a penetrating oil if it's stuck in there. When reinstalling use some duck tape (or better yet, Gorilla Tape) to hold it in place while you install it. Don't try to remove the tape after installing. It will keep the pin from falling out in the event that the keel needs to be removed in the future

 

[mhancock3123]

I finished clearing in the new table top. A light sanding and it will be done. This weekend I will get back to the keel base. My 2 part epoxy primer came in the mail today.

 

[SailingLoto]

nice work