I've been using a Buntline hitch for my halyards. Would there be an advantage to go to a halyard hitch. I have stayset x lines.
Halyard knots
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I can tell you from multiple experiences that once you pull a halyard knot tight, the only way to get it off is to cut it. The only way. It will NEVER come loose. . That role is what it's designed to do. That's why they call it the halyard knot.
MM,
I simply use a Bowline pal.
Yea, it's a bit bigger & my not fit as well on different model boats but, if tied correctly will NEVER fail you.
As for breaking it loose,......quite quick-n-easy. The fewer knots to remember, the fewer will be tied wrong.
CR
I simply use a Bowline pal.
Yea, it's a bit bigger & my not fit as well on different model boats but, if tied correctly will NEVER fail you.
As for breaking it loose,......quite quick-n-easy. The fewer knots to remember, the fewer will be tied wrong.
CR
Wrong Ron, never. Maybe you're talking about a different thing. Never use a bowline to tie a halyard to a shackle.The bowline has a long-known and documented history of loosening when shaken off-tension. I would never personally trust a bowline in a place where I could not see the knot.
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I've been using the same knot on my last 4 boats. not sure what it's called, but it's quick and easy. No shackle required. works for me. this is the only reference I could find on-line, and they call it an "ideal knot" : http://www.wayfarer-international.org/WIT/race.related/RiggingTips/TonJaspers/TJhalsheet.html . I use a figure 8 knot at the bitter end rather than the ball shown, but same ol same ol.
Russ
Russ
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Howdy MM, Halyard hitch is one of the animated instructionals on this website:
http://www.animatedknots.com/halyar...png&Website=www.animatedknots.com#ScrollPoint
http://www.animatedknots.com/halyar...png&Website=www.animatedknots.com#ScrollPoint
That is a nifty little knot! I keep a small bit of line in my cubicle at work, and I learned this one today, thanks for the link!
To me this bears a very strong resemblance to a double overhand "stopper" knot.
Using the knot I mentioned above, without a shackle, lets you raise the sail to it's maximum height. Plus it can be "tied" in less time than it takes to unscrew a shackle pin (especially after it gets dropped)
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Buntline hitch, for years and years- there's a reason it has lasted.
But to get it off will take a knife. I like it like that
But to get it off will take a knife. I like it like that
That knot is used on dinghies and small (<20) foot boats that tie their sails to halyards. On bigger boat that are designed to use shackles, the rig is designed with extra space on the spar to allow the designed/speced sail to be pulled to full hoist.
Thank you all. I needed the extra lift on my main sail and had to cut off the eye splice that took lots of time to lean and get right. Found an article stating Rod Stevens only use buntline hitch so went with it. Yes it comes out with difficulty but I leave my main rigged and covered. When I replaced my haylards mid summer I used a buntline directly to main and tied a schacle to the jib and put off for latter an eye splice. (wife or friends can help raise jib) I confess Ive been lazy and never got back to splice. Looks to me like the haylard knot is an improved buntline or maybe the other way around. I guess from the above both have about the same attrabutes and both come out hard and the difference is where the end of the line comes out of the knot. (????)
been using bowlines since i was 7 yrs old. never seen one undo on its own. lemme see, i was 7 in 1955.........
i use bowlines , with and without shackle, and i use figure 8 knot for the loose end.
i use cowhitch for jibsheets.
i use bowlines , with and without shackle, and i use figure 8 knot for the loose end.
i use cowhitch for jibsheets.
APEX,
I've never had a bowline fail me pal. I was not there so, I don't have a take on it.
Sounds like that was a nightmare for you & I can guess it was. In some cases, I use a double wrap on the bitter end. There's insurance in this but, it does not impede in untying.
We all learn as we go forward, better luck in the future pal.........
The good news is, that there are a multitude of proper knots for all applications.
CR
I've never had a bowline fail me pal. I was not there so, I don't have a take on it.
Sounds like that was a nightmare for you & I can guess it was. In some cases, I use a double wrap on the bitter end. There's insurance in this but, it does not impede in untying.
We all learn as we go forward, better luck in the future pal.........
The good news is, that there are a multitude of proper knots for all applications.
CR
My first three boats were dinghies, so I guess that explains it.
Still works for me on the M25 however.
Yea, exactly why experts (not just me) recommend not using for any situation where the knot can come off load. Any given individual of course might not have experienced it, but it pays to look at collective experience.
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