I rest my case.Neither of which will avoid arguments from starting.
I rest my case.Neither of which will avoid arguments from starting.
LOL. Thought I was responding to a totally different thread. Must have been a good bottle of wine last night!It is simple physics, how can that be wrong? Please explain yourself. These articles agree with me.
Lee Helm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_helm
Weather Helm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_helm
This one repeats the weather vane analogy. http://www.schoolofsailing.net/weather-helm-and-lee-helm.html
And another: http://johnellsworth.com/writing/nautical/balance_helm/balance.html
Diagram: http://johnellsworth.com/writing/nautical/balance_helm/fig1.jpg
Not sure how I'd rig a downhaul because my clutches are all used. Thoughts? Great idea on securing the reef points. The jammers do seem to slip a bit. And for what it's worth, I've already learned the lesson about not tying down the excess sail too tightly. A couple of years ago, in an effort to look tidy and professional I rolled up the excess main and tied it up tightly against the boom. The pressure poked little holes in the foot of my sail where it was forced up against the shackle pins along the foot. Dumb dumb dumb.Rig a downhaul to avoid going forward. Also, I forgot, we find the reef lines tend to slip through the stock jammers so I always tie a piece of webbing through the 2nd reef clew and around the boom as well. It keeps the foot down and stretched flat.
Hahaha, well that makes more sense. I hope you had a good time.LOL. Thought I was responding to a totally different thread. Must have been a good bottle of wine last night!
Possibly just run the line down from the sail head, through a turning block at the base of the mast and find a place to cleat it. Its just something to pull on to lower the sail if needed.Not sure how I'd rig a downhaul because my clutches are all used. Thoughts? Great idea on securing the reef points. The jammers do seem to slip a bit. And for what it's worth, I've already learned the lesson about not tying down the excess sail too tightly. A couple of years ago, in an effort to look tidy and professional I rolled up the excess main and tied it up tightly against the boom. The pressure poked little holes in the foot of my sail where it was forced up against the shackle pins along the foot. Dumb dumb dumb.
Not sure how I'd rig a downhaul because my clutches are all used. Thoughts? Great idea on securing the reef points. The jammers do seem to slip a bit. And for what it's worth, I've already learned the lesson about not tying down the excess sail too tightly. A couple of years ago, in an effort to look tidy and professional I rolled up the excess main and tied it up tightly against the boom. The pressure poked little holes in the foot of my sail where it was forced up against the shackle pins along the foot. Dumb dumb dumb.
Thanks! This is pretty much how I'd imagined. As Alan says I guess I'll just need to cleat if off somewhere.
I did the same thing on a Morgan 41 some 25 years ago. Wind shifted prior to a thunderstorm, took an accidental gybe and blew out all four reef points. Three rolls of duct tape later we were back on our way. Looked ghetto but we figured, "Hey, it might make a great radar reflector". Took the reefing lines off my main after that and just roll up the excess and stuff in the baggy part of the main's foot. Anyway, what BKeeler said... all boats are different and experience does matter.A couple of years ago, in an effort to look tidy and professional I rolled up the excess main and tied it up tightly against the boom.
How close to the foot? Are you sure that's not a cunningham cringle?One related question: My mainsail has 3 reef-points (3 extra cringles but only two reefing lines. The first cringle is very close to the foot and would seem to make minimal difference so I generally ignore it and use the 2nd and 3rd cringles, with the two reefing lines respectively. Is the first reef point meant to be used without a reefing line? When people refer to a "double reefed" sail, I'm not sure whether to count that first one that is so close to the foot.
From your description it would appear that the reef lines were tied too tight and passed on the underside of the boom. For a loose footed main (which I realize you may not have had) you would want to tie up the excess sail with the reef lines passing between the top of the boom and the foot of the sail. If not loose footed then of course they must pass on the underside of the boom, but you would want to be careful to tie them loosely enough so there is no strain on them under any circumstances. Their sole purpose is to help clean up the excess sail and not to take any kind of load. They are not even strictly necessary (as you noted in your second to last sentence), but do make things more tidy.I did the same thing on a Morgan 41 some 25 years ago. Wind shifted prior to a thunderstorm, took an accidental gybe and blew out all four reef points. Three rolls of duct tape later we were back on our way. Looked ghetto but we figured, "Hey, it might make a great radar reflector". Took the reefing lines off my main after that and just roll up the excess and stuff in the baggy part of the main's foot. Anyway, what BKeeler said... all boats are different and experience does matter.