What is wrong with this bowline

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Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Keep looking. mainesail yer close.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
almost looks like a bowline with a bight....there is an extra loop...
 
Oct 22, 2008
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- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
There's no extra loop... the tail is on the outside, rather than the inside.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Dog and Woody, you got it! The Tail can snag and spill the knot.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I will stir the pot. Main Sail was right - it wasn't a bowline.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I will stir the pot. Main Sail was right - it wasn't a bowline.
Mainesail was right! "It doesn't LOOK like a bowline"
It is a common novice mistake. Superficially it looks like a bowline. Usually small differences are important in the formation of a proper knot.
Knots have different names in different trades what we call a sheet bend they called a weavers knot in the cotton mills.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Ross - just giving you a hard time here. It ain't a bowline if it ain't tied right. Good post on your part.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Ross - just giving you a hard time here. It ain't a bowline if it ain't tied right. Good post on your part.
I knew that! ;) lol .
I plan to post other examples of common misteaks when I come upon them just for fun.
 
Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
two problems I see. It looks like someone that is left handed made it for one. The other is the first loop goes over the top of the standing line and the second loop comes through from underneath. I agree this is not at all like a bowline, but what is it? I'd call it a Grampy knot (a granny knot but we don't want to offend Ross).
 

DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
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Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
Hey... what's wrong with a left handed bowline? ( the first knot isn't a bowline) You right handers are just jealous because you can't tie one. It's just that no southpaw ever wronte an instruction manual on knot tying, or ever made a rope for that matter.

Its no wonder every time we lefties try to coil a line, it ends up twisted...
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
Hey... what's wrong with a left handed bowline? ( the first knot isn't a bowline) You right handers are just jealous because you can't tie one. It's just that no southpaw ever wronte an instruction manual on knot tying, or ever made a rope for that matter.

Its no wonder every time we lefties try to coil a line, it ends up twisted...
i make ambidextrous knots--isnt any difference in appearance after they are finished lol--the notabowline is like the knots the previous owner of my formosa used to tie--he being a boat virgin didnt tie any we know of......
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Reading Ashley's shows many variations of knots and in some places he list the reliability of the knot ranging from deadly to you can bet your life on it. Also remember that many knot s were developed for natural fiber rope and synthetic fiber is slippery and some knots that hold well in hemp are dangerous in some modern high tech lines.
 
Dec 3, 2003
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None None Rochester, NY
I knew that! ;) lol .
I plan to post other examples of common misteaks when I come upon them just for fun.
How about posting the correct way to tie up to a cleat. I see them tied incorrectly all the time. BTW... it is spelled 'mistakes'. :redface:
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
How about posting the correct way to tie up to a cleat. I see them tied incorrectly all the time. BTW... it is spelled 'mistakes'. :redface:
That was deliberate. I can be a bit perverse at times. Not that anyone has ever noticed. ;)
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
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CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
Dog and Woody, you got it! The Tail can snag and spill the knot.
:confused:... wouldn't the tail still be capable of snagging and spilling the knot if the tail is inside? Also, when the bowline is loaded, the tail is captured, whether the tail is inside or outside, yes?

just asking.I tried to clear my mind and then I tied bowlines with two hands, then the one-handed method, and in both cases the tail was indeed inside. I also tied the knot with tail inside, then outside, and in both cases the knot seemed equally resistant to spilling when the tail was pulled on.
 
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