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I take it the owners would have to allow these "volunteers" to come aboard and count containers?
No problem. Treat them like solicitors or certain religious types that want to take up my Saturday mornings "thanks for stopping by- you're trespassing".
No problem. Treat them like solicitors or certain religious types that want to take up my Saturday mornings "thanks for stopping by- you're trespassing".
It's actually an employment scheme for veterans. Wounded Nature is a non-profit org that basically seeks contributions and looks for ways to clean the environment, or in this case, police activities which are considered to be sources of pollution, by employing veterans to actually perform the activities.
This scheme basically seeks to accomplish two goals ... clean-up the environment and employ veterans at the same time. As an altruistic organization, I actually applaud both fronts of this scheme. It's always hard to know when a non-profit is motivated more by doing good deeds than it is by collecting money to serve the organizers. I think there are plenty of non-profits that are more interested in collecting money for the organizers, but I don't know about this one.
They may be barking up the wrong tree if they expect a warm reception from boaters, but I suspect that their goal is to employ unemployed veterans to police the marinas, not seek volunteers. I imagine the volunteering they expect to find is private and public marinas who will welcome their employees to do this policing.
I have to say, it seems like they have found a formula that is a little harder to object to. Maybe if our government wasn't so interested in pushing amnesty on us so that cheap labor can continue to flood the border, our veterans might find work so they wouldn't be available to hassle boaters.
This scheme basically seeks to accomplish two goals ... clean-up the environment and employ veterans at the same time. As an altruistic organization, I actually applaud both fronts of this scheme. It's always hard to know when a non-profit is motivated more by doing good deeds than it is by collecting money to serve the organizers. I think there are plenty of non-profits that are more interested in collecting money for the organizers, but I don't know about this one.
They may be barking up the wrong tree if they expect a warm reception from boaters, but I suspect that their goal is to employ unemployed veterans to police the marinas, not seek volunteers. I imagine the volunteering they expect to find is private and public marinas who will welcome their employees to do this policing.
I have to say, it seems like they have found a formula that is a little harder to object to. Maybe if our government wasn't so interested in pushing amnesty on us so that cheap labor can continue to flood the border, our veterans might find work so they wouldn't be available to hassle boaters.
1. I agree with the concept of helping veterans. I disagree with hassling boaters, who are NOT the problem of trash in the water.
2. We have enough "policing" these days. Who's watching your emails these days?
3. Amnesty of illegals has nothing to do with these issues. Braceros in California, for example, have been here for a long, long time. Cheap labor is the goal of all unregulated capitalists. And has been since it was invented. What I suggest is you get your congress-critter to lift the stupid sequester. That'd help a lot of poeple out, and maybe get the 4th of July fireworks back.
Care to mention a "jobs" bill that has actually passed Congress (that's the House of Representatives BTW, who pass the $$ legislation, the ONLY ones who can do that).Back to sailing...:dance:
Their motives maybe good, but they are clueless. They look along shorelines, see trash and assume it comes from boaters, when in fact 99% of it comes from litter blown into sewers and waterways. Go hike or canoe any small stream near any city and see how much trash you find. Gee, I wonder where that stream leads too?
Just the other day I saw someone in the car in front of me open the drivers door so they could toss a water bottle out onto the ground. I laid on my horn and my wife was afraid I was going to start a road rage incident. (Just might have.) One of these days I'm going to get a roll of duct tape printed with "I'm a litterbug" and when I see someone throw trash out of their car, I'll pick it up and tape it to their rear bumper.
Just the other day I saw someone in the car in front of me open the drivers door so they could toss a water bottle out onto the ground. I laid on my horn and my wife was afraid I was going to start a road rage incident. (Just might have.) One of these days I'm going to get a roll of duct tape printed with "I'm a litterbug" and when I see someone throw trash out of their car, I'll pick it up and tape it to their rear bumper.
My first thought was, "who says this is a problem! How did you arrive at the idea that boaters throw bottles overboard?"
My second thought was, "What's the agenda?"
Then I remembered back about a year ago when The Truckers News re-published an article by a Dallas, TX paper that said over one thousand prostitutes were plying their trade at the 6 major truckstops in the Dallas area! I called the editor and asked if she really believed that? Her answer was, "We just re-printed an article." I asked if she was interested in facts, that did not seem to matter to her! By the way, what they were saying was that an average of 166 prostitutes were working each truck stop, most of the truck stops don't have 166 parking places! I wondered what the agenda was on that one to!
Jack
PS, in the past 5 years I have been approached by 2 prostitutes!
My second thought was, "What's the agenda?"
Then I remembered back about a year ago when The Truckers News re-published an article by a Dallas, TX paper that said over one thousand prostitutes were plying their trade at the 6 major truckstops in the Dallas area! I called the editor and asked if she really believed that? Her answer was, "We just re-printed an article." I asked if she was interested in facts, that did not seem to matter to her! By the way, what they were saying was that an average of 166 prostitutes were working each truck stop, most of the truck stops don't have 166 parking places! I wondered what the agenda was on that one to!
Jack
PS, in the past 5 years I have been approached by 2 prostitutes!
1. I agree with the concept of helping veterans. I disagree with hassling boaters, who are NOT the problem of trash in the water.
2. We have enough "policing" these days. Who's watching your emails these days?
3. Amnesty of illegals has nothing to do with these issues. Braceros in California, for example, have been here for a long, long time. Cheap labor is the goal of all unregulated capitalists. And has been since it was invented. What I suggest is you get your congress-critter to lift the stupid sequester. That'd help a lot of poeple out, and maybe get the 4th of July fireworks back.
Back to sailing...:dance:
Scott, I was amazed at your response, from your past posts I thought you would go the other way! And EVERYTHING you said is right on!
Jack
Jack
most if not all of the flotsam ends up in the shallow places around the edges. Equip teams with flat bottom, shallow draft low powered boats to patrol miles of shoreline picking up trash and place a deposit fee on all non biodegradable containers. In this way the teams are paid for performance and the water ways are kept clean. As the teams become more experienced they can also start eco tourist patrols and have tourists pay to help with the clean-up.
Now, Ross, THAT'S a PLAN that actually makes a LOT of sense.
Maybe we should send it to that group for their consideration.
Beats hassling boaters in their marinas.
This also occurred to me: many marinas are closed half the year, but trash still litters the shorelines all year long. So, how can it be coming from boaters???
Maybe we should send it to that group for their consideration.
Beats hassling boaters in their marinas.
This also occurred to me: many marinas are closed half the year, but trash still litters the shorelines all year long. So, how can it be coming from boaters???
Jack, it appears that my thoughts weren't as appreciated by the forum monitors as much as they were by you.
Ross and Stu, you seem to be missing the whole point of this particular non-profit organization. They are establishing themselves to create employment opportunities for veterans. They are already setting up these clean-up teams with veterans and they are paying them for their efforts ... working for 5 cent deposits isn't the economic future for this enterprise and they probably don't really care about how productive the teams are. In fact, if the teams aren't even productive at all, that just provides the excuse for the need for larger contributions to employ more teams of clean-up specialists. They will just say, "see, the problem is SO great, we need more money to hire more veterans to create more clean-up teams". It's a classic case of "making work" to establish the need for money.
Do you seriously think that the public is going to tolerate deposits on these items when we are already being told to recycle anyway?
Stu, it doesn't matter that boaters don't throw their trash out in the waterways. The goal of this organization is to employ veterans to police the marinas. They don't expect it to make any difference, they just want to pay veterans to do the work. Of course their economic model depends upon funding, so that part of it starts with contributions. Where it evolves, I'm sure we'll find out.
http://woundednature.org/support-us/become-a-member/
Ross and Stu, you seem to be missing the whole point of this particular non-profit organization. They are establishing themselves to create employment opportunities for veterans. They are already setting up these clean-up teams with veterans and they are paying them for their efforts ... working for 5 cent deposits isn't the economic future for this enterprise and they probably don't really care about how productive the teams are. In fact, if the teams aren't even productive at all, that just provides the excuse for the need for larger contributions to employ more teams of clean-up specialists. They will just say, "see, the problem is SO great, we need more money to hire more veterans to create more clean-up teams". It's a classic case of "making work" to establish the need for money.
Do you seriously think that the public is going to tolerate deposits on these items when we are already being told to recycle anyway?
Stu, it doesn't matter that boaters don't throw their trash out in the waterways. The goal of this organization is to employ veterans to police the marinas. They don't expect it to make any difference, they just want to pay veterans to do the work. Of course their economic model depends upon funding, so that part of it starts with contributions. Where it evolves, I'm sure we'll find out.
http://woundednature.org/support-us/become-a-member/
Now my question is this, where did Scott's post go? I saw nothing there that would cause concern!
Jack
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Not concerning to you, perhaps!
Now Jack, you know that it had some elements of a political rant - I didn't disguise it. It was doomed. My last post hopefully cleaned it up enough to make it tolerable!
Now Jack, you know that it had some elements of a political rant - I didn't disguise it. It was doomed. My last post hopefully cleaned it up enough to make it tolerable!
Scott, I still don't remember what you said that would merit the post being 'monitored', would a moderator please explain it to me?
Ross, very well put!
Jack
Ross, very well put!
Jack
I think you hit a key word here, "scheme". Pretty sad when people would use unemployed veterans to push their feel good nazi agenda, that's the liberal way....
If this is what it's come down to for our returning veterans, we're in trouble. Just think, I used to be in charge of a 1.5 million dollar piece of equipment, now I'm in charge of a 1000 dollar john boat & picking up trash. As Cartright would say, It's all a bunch of hippie tree hugging crap.
Please do not take this personal Scott, you're a good guy!
Ross made me think of something that is workable if the "public" had a genuine concern with trash in the water. In North Carolina, and I would imagine other states do this as well, have Adopt A Highway programs, where ordinary and regular, albeit bored people freely and willingly walk the roads and pick up trash. For free. The state pays them nothing to do it, for the exception of a sign with their particular organization on it. Prisoners don't even have to do it. Pure damn genius. The man, (or woman for that matter, they come up with an idea now and then), who came up with this is one of my all time heros. Cult leaders do not have that kind of sway.
So, Adopt A Beach. Or rocky cliff shoreline for that matter. Imagine. Rappelling down a west coast cliff, in full climbing regalia, AND obligatory orange vest, and pick up garbage.
Ah, never mind. I've gotta go to bed.
And I was just kidding, gals. Most of the time, you're the only ones with a lick of sense. Just ask my wife..
So, Adopt A Beach. Or rocky cliff shoreline for that matter. Imagine. Rappelling down a west coast cliff, in full climbing regalia, AND obligatory orange vest, and pick up garbage.
Ah, never mind. I've gotta go to bed.
And I was just kidding, gals. Most of the time, you're the only ones with a lick of sense. Just ask my wife..
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