I agree. It's like the boaters at Avalon being blamed for years for the high bacteria count in the bay when it turns out to be the leaking land based sewer system all along.
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all big brother issues aside, with all the docks in all the marinas and launch ramps and all the boats in their slips, at their moorings, and coming off their trailers they would have to have a large army of people to actually count drinks coming on and off of boats. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people fill the cooler before bringing it aboard, or if the boat is trailered they load the drinks/cooler into the boat before even getting to the ramp. A huge number of bottles and cans are never visible to prying eyes.
The notion of anybody even being able to inventory somebody else's boat is just not feasible.
The notion of anybody even being able to inventory somebody else's boat is just not feasible.
Another problem is, there are some people that run a little hotter than others, and if the day came when some H.O.A. gestapo mentality clown requested to look in me cooler, the chances are very highly likely that they might not be received very well.
Nanny state run amok.
If rec boater generated trash in the ocean is more than 1% I would be astounded. The trash I've seen on beaches up and down the coast is from storms and from commercial vessels.
I spent a lot of time on Abaco beaches this winter. Most of the trash on remote beaches was not cans and bottles. It was nets, lines, all kinds of junk that likely was put there by storms.
If we want to get serious, we should be tearing down houses near the ocean. Look at the amount of trash put into the ocean by Sandy, pulled from shore.
How many millions of homes and condos line the shore of the USA? Every time a wind storm comes, stuff left on the deck, porch or lawn gets blown into the water.
Knee-jerk, accent on jerk
If rec boater generated trash in the ocean is more than 1% I would be astounded. The trash I've seen on beaches up and down the coast is from storms and from commercial vessels.
I spent a lot of time on Abaco beaches this winter. Most of the trash on remote beaches was not cans and bottles. It was nets, lines, all kinds of junk that likely was put there by storms.
If we want to get serious, we should be tearing down houses near the ocean. Look at the amount of trash put into the ocean by Sandy, pulled from shore.
How many millions of homes and condos line the shore of the USA? Every time a wind storm comes, stuff left on the deck, porch or lawn gets blown into the water.
Knee-jerk, accent on jerk
It also sounds like he didn't get his ass kicked enough in junior-high, and wants the tradition to continue..
Anything is possible when politically correct thinking & peer pressure plays into an equation. All one has to do is look at the past & you'll see why this idea, absurd as it sounds, could become favorable.
Here in NH there's a group that hangs out at boat launches on the lakes passing out information on invasive plant species. They conduct "voluntary" inspections of your boat & if you pass their inspection, you have their permission to launch. Although I would not want to be responsible for introducing an invassive species into a body of water, I can see where this idea could go.
Here in NH there's a group that hangs out at boat launches on the lakes passing out information on invasive plant species. They conduct "voluntary" inspections of your boat & if you pass their inspection, you have their permission to launch. Although I would not want to be responsible for introducing an invassive species into a body of water, I can see where this idea could go.
I read the first few posts on this thread and was so in awe over it on multiple levels that I had to leave it as I was pretty much speechless. Now I see the response to Rick's note and I'm even more frustrated. I am committed to doing whatever I can to contribute and assist in maintaining healthy oceans but the this reads like a 4th grade writing project and the response from Sail Magazine might even be worse than the proposal itself. Please give us some credit for having brains and being a group by in large dedicated to being good shepherds of our magnificent oceans. :cry:
Is it possible to make this unobtrusive by putting RFID tags on each bottle so they could be read by a scanner from the dock without boarding the boat? Then they could arrest you when you returned for not having a matching count.
Do not drink and boat. Very bad idea. Wait until the anchor is down or tied to the dock. Remember that drunk out west that was a cop or selectman or something and hit the sailboat from behind at night and killed one of the passengers? Everyone on this site wanted him to get the death penalty, now several posters on this thread are suggesting drinking and boating are AOK and methods to not get caught. If you don't like the laws elect people to change them, in the meantime, obey the law, don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, and all the rest of the ten commandments.
Do not drink and boat. Very bad idea. Wait until the anchor is down or tied to the dock. Remember that drunk out west that was a cop or selectman or something and hit the sailboat from behind at night and killed one of the passengers? Everyone on this site wanted him to get the death penalty, now several posters on this thread are suggesting drinking and boating are AOK and methods to not get caught. If you don't like the laws elect people to change them, in the meantime, obey the law, don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, and all the rest of the ten commandments.
Perdock was the sheriff's name. Bismarck Dinius was the Victim in the sailboat and he's the one who got charged by the corrupt Lake County DA's office. IIRC a female LEO who'd just retired was killed. The issue wasn't drinking, it was Perdock running his motorboat in the dark at high speed and hit a barely moving sailboat. Perhaps the folks on the sailboat may have one or two, but they were the victims.
I find this whole thread ridiculous, and almost funny, except for posts that condone Big Brother type infringement on freedom and civil liberties. It is about responsibility folks.
This may sound ridiculously cruel and mean, but legislation that keeps people safe from themselves, (emphasis is "from themselves") has polluted the gene pool. Darwin is broken. I know this paragraph is an odd tangent, and these same folks, (who by their own actions should not live to procreate) hurt others, so laws ARE necessary to punish them in the event they survive... Still, and the reason for this paragraph, we have in many instances legislated common sense out of the human experience.
Jibes, you gotta be kidding. I move from land to water on my own private dock. Countless others hit the water bypassing marinas and slips. As a taxpayer do you want to fund another bureaucracy that attempts to legislate proper behavior????? How many RFID readers? Where you putting them? How are you going to patrol every access point? Drinks at waterfront restaurants? How you gonna RFID that?
I cannot tell you the last time I was on a boat that I didn't have an adult beverage. It is part of the relaxation of recreational boating. That being said, it takes responsibility to not be a BUI. In locales where the driver is to be alcohol-free a designated is chosen. That being said, all parties on board maintain common sense and a problem drinker is addressed.
I will continue to read this thread and either chuckle or shake my head. Just know this maxim from my perspective: in a blow, any port is a good port. To that end I will try to maintain a bottle of finest tawny on board at all times. Those of you who want to board my vessel and take a nip, know you are welcome. Just know we play by a responsible rule set around here... With everything moderation.... I don't need to pay extra taxes to keep me responsible...
This may sound ridiculously cruel and mean, but legislation that keeps people safe from themselves, (emphasis is "from themselves") has polluted the gene pool. Darwin is broken. I know this paragraph is an odd tangent, and these same folks, (who by their own actions should not live to procreate) hurt others, so laws ARE necessary to punish them in the event they survive... Still, and the reason for this paragraph, we have in many instances legislated common sense out of the human experience.
Jibes, you gotta be kidding. I move from land to water on my own private dock. Countless others hit the water bypassing marinas and slips. As a taxpayer do you want to fund another bureaucracy that attempts to legislate proper behavior????? How many RFID readers? Where you putting them? How are you going to patrol every access point? Drinks at waterfront restaurants? How you gonna RFID that?
I cannot tell you the last time I was on a boat that I didn't have an adult beverage. It is part of the relaxation of recreational boating. That being said, it takes responsibility to not be a BUI. In locales where the driver is to be alcohol-free a designated is chosen. That being said, all parties on board maintain common sense and a problem drinker is addressed.
I will continue to read this thread and either chuckle or shake my head. Just know this maxim from my perspective: in a blow, any port is a good port. To that end I will try to maintain a bottle of finest tawny on board at all times. Those of you who want to board my vessel and take a nip, know you are welcome. Just know we play by a responsible rule set around here... With everything moderation.... I don't need to pay extra taxes to keep me responsible...
Who drinks beer out of plastic bottles? Just drink cans or glass bottles!!!!
Most of the plastic I see in the water, is either water bottles and being in NY, "East River Whitefish" (condoms). So do we start a return policy for both(YUCK).
Most of the plastic I see in the water, is either water bottles and being in NY, "East River Whitefish" (condoms). So do we start a return policy for both(YUCK).
Regarding RFID....yes just kidding. Regarding being a CAPTAIN of a boat and under the influence of an intoxicating substance, not at all. It is one thing to get intoxicated and put yourself at risk, another entirely to be the party responsible for several others in your care and be intoxicated. If a passenger on your boat falls overboard and drowns and you, the captain, are drunk, who do you think will be held responsible?
[QUOTE=" Regarding being a CAPTAIN of a boat and under the influence of an intoxicating substance, not at all. It is one thing to get intoxicated and put yourself at risk, another entirely to be the party responsible for several others in your care and be intoxicated. If a passenger on your boat falls overboard and drowns and you, the captain, are drunk, who do you think will be held responsible?[/QUOTE]
How did this become a debate about being drunk on the water....
How did this become a debate about being drunk on the water....
I would suggest the vast majority of trash finding its way into our waterways is being flushed out of storm drains. I don't think I've seen a single boater in recent years deliberately throw trash into the water.
Checking the number of cans on your boat in and out at the dock? As others have pointed out this is shear stupidity both logistically and logically.
This flawed idea comes from Rudy Socha, CEO of Wounded Nature. As an organization their motives may be pure, but this is a very clear example that good intentions and good sense do not always go hand in hand.
I also have to question the judgement of Becca Oken and her editor for publishing an idea so flawed.
Checking the number of cans on your boat in and out at the dock? As others have pointed out this is shear stupidity both logistically and logically.
This flawed idea comes from Rudy Socha, CEO of Wounded Nature. As an organization their motives may be pure, but this is a very clear example that good intentions and good sense do not always go hand in hand.
I also have to question the judgement of Becca Oken and her editor for publishing an idea so flawed.
just tack on deposits
doesn't ME, NH, and MA have a nickle a can, bottle, or plastic container with the stamp on the side?
can't imagine many tossed bottles when they are worth $.
doesn't ME, NH, and MA have a nickle a can, bottle, or plastic container with the stamp on the side?
can't imagine many tossed bottles when they are worth $.
I have suggested a "Trash Bag Regatta" where all of the boats would be given a trash bag and a long handle net. The boats go out and look for flotsam and bag it. The first boat back with a full bag wins, the last boat back with a full bag also wins, in fact everybody wins.
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