Water Pump

[jorgefife]

Finally ordered a new one, because my old one cuts off and on, and I think it was time to replace it: I got a nice one cheap at E-Bay
Mine is positioned in the starboard lazarette, below the cover panel... a very difficult place to get to
What suggestions out there for a new place to instal?
Where do you have yours?
Thanks

 

[Paul F]

You could do what I have done - enlarge the access opening. It is a bigger project involving removing the head wall and enlarging the access to the engine, but it solves the problem. The modification is written up in the moods section here is the link.
http://hunter.sailboatowners.com/in...7&cat_id=28&aid=7755&page=article&mn=33_77-83

Also if you need any pump work done I would recommend calling Depco Pump.

http://www.depcopump.com/contact.htm

They are very professional and very good.

 

[jorgefife]

Paul
Got the pictures, thank you
So you suggest I install the pump right by the engine?

 

[kloudie1]

Paul, he is talking the cabin water pump, I think.. not teh engine water pump.. Jorge, have you looked for leaks in the fresh water system.. a loose fitting anywhere in the system can cause the pump to cut on and off.. of course it can be leaking pump valves as well.. but those can usually be cleaned.. ??

 

[Paul F]

Sorry guys, You are right I read the question to fast. My cabin water pump went out also. Although the space under the lazarette is small I put the new one there. It requires very little maintenance and it is out of the way in the lazarette. I would recommend leaving it where it is. My new one cuts off and on too. It is a sign of a small leak in the system somewhere. I would keep your old pump as a spare.

 

[Ed H]

The PO of my boat had a new one installed in the storage area under the starboard settee/berth. It works fine. Easy access for winterizing fresh water system.

 

[jorgefife]

The PO of my boat had a new one installed in the storage area under the starboard settee/berth. It works fine. Easy access for winterizing fresh water system.

Kloudie,
Thanks for the input!
Yes, I am referring to my water pump; it cuts on and off, so when you flick on the switch at the control panel, it starts, an works pretty well, while the water is running: when you switch the fawcet off, it runs on and off; supposed to cut off entirely
I looked yesterday for leaks, but could find none, although it runs not in a very steady fashion
And yes, I will keep it and perhaps open it up and clean inside
I actually bought 2, one for $ 60.00 and another one for $20.00
Will keep you informed on my progress.
Still thinking of a place to install the new one

Paul,
Thanks for the info; will keep it in mind

Ed,

You say PO had in under the starboard settee/board?
You men under the seat which opens up?
Under there?

 

[Ed Schenck]

Keep looking Jorge, you definitely have a leak. Odds are that your old pump is fine.

First make sure that your tank is full so no air is getting in the line. Next open all faucets and let the water run for a few minutes, again to remove any air. Now close everything and the pump should stop eventually. If it comes on within 10 minutes then find the leak. If it comes on for a few seconds once or twice an hour maybe it is not worth the effort.

Do you have a hot water tank? A notorious cause of leaks. Easy to check by bypassing the tank with a 1/2" male-to-male hose barb. On my boat I start by running the pump just to the closest cold water faucet. Then I add the rest of the cold water, forward sink and shower. Finally I add in the hot water plumbing. My pump and main plumbing is under the galley sink in a terrible spot.

 

[jorgefife]

Thank you Ed
Will do as you suggest
The tank is full: I remember the other day I had no water, so I put a hose into the tank and it was a very, very long time until it filled up!
Still went to check if water was leaking someplace, but no, it's a very large tank I guess
The thing that puzzles me is that I sometimes have to fiddle a lit with the switch for the water pump to work: I sprayed contact spray ( like ether) and it helped
And the water comes nicely from the fawcets, but when you close the fawcet, then the pump goes on and then off
Will try look for leaks while pump running
And no, I do not have hot water: I found a good looking tankless water heater in one of the boats at the salvage yard, but that is material for another posting
Have been following with great interest the news on Lady Love!
Best of health for all of you, and Ed, I hope all goes well with you and your family
Come see me if ever in Houston, all of you!
I am enjoying the best days of my life, the Rolls is a very far second toy!
The boat is where my heart is

 

[Ed H]

Kloudie,Thanks for the info; will keep it in mind

Ed,

You say PO had in under the starboard settee/board?
You men under the seat which opens up?
Under there?

What I meant was the PO installed it in the storage area under the starboard berth in the cabin. Ed H

 

[Paul F]

While you are redoing your water system you may want to consider an expansion, accumulator tank. I put in a two gallon one from Lowes. It makes the pressure system run much better. I located it under the head sink under the two drawers out of the way.
I used a large diameter pvc pipe cut about 4" long as a base it works very well.

 

[jorgefife]

Paul,
Could you send me a picture of your installation?
Was it easy to connect to the water pump?

 

[Paul F]

Here are some pictures of the accumulator tank installation. It is a simple device. It has a diaphragm inside to keep pressure on the water in the system. The pump will run less as the accumulator holds water. You may even turn the pump off until the pressure is low. Works well at night no pump noise. All there is to the installation is too attach it to any part of the water system after the pump and it keeps pressure in the system.

 

[SamLust]

Jorge;

I moved my water pump years ago. The space it occupied now houses black water, which is all it is good for. The pump is on the head aft wall, that is the wall that separates the head from the sail locker where it originaly resided. I screwed in a piece of 1/2" plywood and mounted all sorts of stuff there. Water pump, water filter, engine raw water strainer, electric fuel pump, mascerator. Parts are probably still available from the manufacturer to rebuild that pump. I did mine years ago and it was fine. I'll try to post pictures later. I know you like pictures.

 

[SamLust]

Ah; pictures. Everything is right there and easily accessable

 

[jorgefife]

Great pictures Sam!
I love pictures!
But...where is your bladder for the waste water?
Mine is where your plywood is positioned, so I can maybe do it around that area.
Did you replace your bladder with some kind of different tank?
Curious about it
Regards, and thanks
Jorge

 

[Ed Schenck]

Sam, your first three pictures make it look like an engine room. Then we see that you have to go in through a small locker opening. So it seems that "accessible" is a relative term. Has something to do with age, weight, and flexibility. "Double-jointedness" would be a bonus. We can develop a formula.

 

[SamLust]

Jorge;

The sticky stinky Wilcox-Crittenden bladder is long gone. I had a tank made which is in the useless area where the water pump was below the floor of the locker. I have posted about it several times. You can see the top of the tank in the middle picture of the top row. That Beckson screw cap port provides access to the tank for rinsing and foreign object retrieval. And yes, I have.

Ed;

I'm closing in on 62 years, although I'm told I look more like 38. Well, maybe 58. While I seem to be holding up better than I have any right to I do have my share of creaks, crunches and bad neck. Only about 10 pounds overweight. Despite that I have no problem stepping into and settling down in there to work on the systems. The locker in question is what I refer to as the "sail locker" under the starboard cockpit seat of the 33. There's actually plenty of room. Might be you're seeing the hose reel that holds my anchor rode as an obstruction. (I deploy and retrieve the anchor from behind the wheel using the sheet winch as a windless.) The reel pops right out and provides reasonable entry. I step in, bend the knees as I turn, settling down into the hole. Not so bad at all.

 

[jorgefife]

It's amazing what a boat can do to your motivation:
I am 6' 2" and weighed 260 pounds; it was a problem getting in and out; so when thge doctor told me I should lose some, I thought most and foremost of how difficult it was to maneuvre myself in and out, so I cut coke, bread and snacks at night, and promptly lost 30 pounds
Now Houdini has nothing on me!
I will eventually get rrid of my bladder and replace it with a tank
Since your boat is the same, and if you have the time, please let me know the dimensions that ideally I should have
Incidently, I found a control panel that you can use in addition to what you have
I will send you a picture one of these days
No charge!
It's my gift to you; happy to help, was lucky to get a couple

 

[Ed Schenck]

Jorge, I know some people that have had a kidney removed. But the bladder?!

So Sam, these two old guys are chatting up some young ladies. Girl says how old are you? Sam says "68". She says,"wow, you look really good for 68". Thank you he says. Later Jorge says, "Sam, you lied, you are only 58". Sam says, "yea, but I don't look good for 58".