Tracks location Seaway 25

miro

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Dec 15, 2024
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Seaway Seaway 25 Sydney
Hi everyone,
I just bought a Seaway 25. The previous owner was mounting the Jib and Genoa with different way than what I am used to and I am actually thinking about putting tracks in to make things little bit more standard.

Looking at Ronstan 25 Alloy T track 1m long on each side.

Based on these measurements and pictures, would anyone be able to advise where approximately they should sit?
I can provide more images if needed over the weekend.

Thanks in advance.

Measurements
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Previous owner's method
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Deck photo
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Ted

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Jan 26, 2005
1,263
C&C 110 Bay Shore, Long Island, NY
Using the dimensions on the sail plan you provided, a one meter long track will not be long enough to provide a proper lead location for both the jib and genoa. To determine your average lead location draw a line from the midpoint of the luff and through the clew until it hits the deck. If you do this with each sail you will see that the distance between the average lead locations where those lines hit the deck is more than one meter. Therefore you will not have enough track length to move the lead aft to de-power the genoa. Also you must use the actual sail dimensions to make this calculation. I'm not sure if your drawing is using the correct sail dimensions or if this is a generic drawing.
 
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Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,123
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Adding to Ted's comments, it is important to understand that the purpose of the lead block is to manage the tension on the headsail's leech and foot. It works similarly to how the mainsheet and outhaul affect the mainsail's shape. Move the car forward and the sheet's tension increases on the headsail's leech while it reduces tension on the foot of the sail. A rounder shape with a closed leech.... powering up the headsail. Move the car aft and the reverse occurs, more tension on the foot creates a flatter lower portion, just like the main's outhaulwould, while the lessening tension on the leech opens the top portion, effectively flattening it.......de-power the headsail. So.....You want to bisect the sail with the sheet to get equal tension on both edges. This is the neutral position. The track's midpoint would be at this neutral position. As Ted explained, extending a line from the mid point of the luff down through the clew to the deck will guide the attached sheet to the block's neutral location. Simply put you are bisecting the corner angle between the sail's leech and foot. If the sail is hoisted, you can lay a simple protractor over the clew, use a felt pen to indicate the bisecting line, then use the attached sheet or something straight to indicate the neutral point on deck. This would also be the mid point of your track, and I would try to get at least two or three track adjustment holes ahead and behind the mid point .. If you use more than one size headsail, or roller reef your single sail often, you should mark their neutral positions on you deck so you can allow for a longer track if needed.

Okay, I hope that made sense, because I want to add one other consideration. That is the track's lateral (athwartship, side to side) location on the deck. This will determine the all important tack angle....which is the angle created by a line from the stem to the jib lead block and the centerline of the boat. The tack angle is often determined by the characteristics of the sail and the boat it's designed for.... so it would make sense to get the sailmaker's input, and also that of the boat designer. Boats that are designed with racing in mind will readily have this data... so it's worth a try to reach out to an expert. Some boats will have very little optional space on the side decks and you will actually see tracks on the cabin top... a Sonar, for instance, which s a popular one design racer has fixed leads mounted on the cuddy cabin roof. On my Catalina 27 I have a long track on the toe rail that literally runs from the foredeck to the transom... often called a Genoa track...it will accommodate any size sail and I have 3 sets of sliding cars, plus the Garhaurer EZ glide lead system... (allows me to adjust the car position under load).... And..... I also have a short 5 position track mounted inside the genoa track that gives me a tack angle option for the genoa, And I have rigged a "Barger Hauler" for the smaller headsails that won't fit the inside track.

Confused? .... that's why you want to understand what the lead block is and how it works. At this point the sail determines its location, but later, if you add some more sails.... their design will incorporate the peculiar aspects of your boat and how you want it to perform.

Good luck.... sorry for the long winded post....I can get carried away sometimes. Before you start drilling new holes, you might cut out some cardboard replicas, place them around the boat to depict your options.... with the sail hoisted of course... maybe even take a picture or two to show us... oops ... at it again :)
 
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miro

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Dec 15, 2024
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Seaway Seaway 25 Sydney
hey, thanks for the explanation. it for sure helps. I will try to get the sails up this weekend and measure it, so I can come to you with specifics and better pictures.