Should we buy it?
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I dunno
I dunno, she looks reallly purdy in the pitchers. I'm sure that the purdy pitcher of the electrical panel would show all the salt water damage that's behind it if it were sunk, woudden it? RRRRRUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno, she looks reallly purdy in the pitchers. I'm sure that the purdy pitcher of the electrical panel would show all the salt water damage that's behind it if it were sunk, woudden it? RRRRRUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More details to this C380
After learning more, this boat might not be as bad was initially thought. I admit I jumped hard on the Marina/dealer selling this, but apparently the details might not be what we all thought. No one knows for sure but ? Click on the link below for the other thread on hearing that it was only 2 inches of water over the floorboards and apparently for a very short time
After learning more, this boat might not be as bad was initially thought. I admit I jumped hard on the Marina/dealer selling this, but apparently the details might not be what we all thought. No one knows for sure but ? Click on the link below for the other thread on hearing that it was only 2 inches of water over the floorboards and apparently for a very short time
380
Hello Old salt, I am curious if you have dealt with the broker in Pensacola, if so what was your expirience like???? Thanks Henry
Hello Old salt, I am curious if you have dealt with the broker in Pensacola, if so what was your expirience like???? Thanks Henry
Nope, never dealt with them
If I would have known more about them, I would have written it in my first post. All I know is what has been written here and the Yacht World info Henry from the other post seems to know these dealers
If I would have known more about them, I would have written it in my first post. All I know is what has been written here and the Yacht World info Henry from the other post seems to know these dealers
Higgs - Completely different boat
Thats a 23 year old S&S designed Catalina 38. Not even similar in anything but the name Catalina with a 2000 Catalina 380 Yes very pretty boat but a completely different boat
Thats a 23 year old S&S designed Catalina 38. Not even similar in anything but the name Catalina with a 2000 Catalina 380 Yes very pretty boat but a completely different boat
Bashing the broker
Hello, I have been reading all these posts about the 2000 380 Catalina. I find it amusing that people that have not seen this boat are giving remarks like, this is scrap, not worth $ 10,000 etc. ect. How can you determine the value and condition of a boat that you have never seen. I am the listing broker in question and I want to clear some things up. First Gene was called about the problem with the boat with in 30 minutes of me finding out the boat went down. True it was on the friday before his scheduled showing but I called him none the less. Second Gene decided to come see the boat even though he was informed that the boat went down in the slip. I feel that I did everything by the book when it came to Mr Kinney. For all who read Old salts post stating that no one should ever do business with my company should know that by his own admission he has never had any contact with me or Flagship. I encourage all of you to contact the BBB in Pensacola and you will find there has never been a complaint agaist me in over 18 years of service.
Hello, I have been reading all these posts about the 2000 380 Catalina. I find it amusing that people that have not seen this boat are giving remarks like, this is scrap, not worth $ 10,000 etc. ect. How can you determine the value and condition of a boat that you have never seen. I am the listing broker in question and I want to clear some things up. First Gene was called about the problem with the boat with in 30 minutes of me finding out the boat went down. True it was on the friday before his scheduled showing but I called him none the less. Second Gene decided to come see the boat even though he was informed that the boat went down in the slip. I feel that I did everything by the book when it came to Mr Kinney. For all who read Old salts post stating that no one should ever do business with my company should know that by his own admission he has never had any contact with me or Flagship. I encourage all of you to contact the BBB in Pensacola and you will find there has never been a complaint agaist me in over 18 years of service.
Tom The Broker
Well Tom, lesson learned, this is the age of the internet where anyone can get any info they want on anything anywhere online. Pressure is on for brokers or sellers of any commodity to be more carefull and more competitive. This thread is only a couple days old and look what has been written. You can't be too carefull these days especially when your reputation is at stake. Good thing you discovered this thread - good learning experience.
Well Tom, lesson learned, this is the age of the internet where anyone can get any info they want on anything anywhere online. Pressure is on for brokers or sellers of any commodity to be more carefull and more competitive. This thread is only a couple days old and look what has been written. You can't be too carefull these days especially when your reputation is at stake. Good thing you discovered this thread - good learning experience.
Tom...
Many of us did not slam you but did tell him not to buy the boat. Some of us can read stuff like "When we arrived the broker told me she had sunk at the slip" which tells me you were not trying to hide anything. I still stand by what I said and 119K for a 380 that sunk is just plain ridiculous. I hope the boat was insured and I'm guessing it will be sold at an insurance auction. I don't doubt that your a decent broker but c'mon 119k for a boat that sunk? There are so many problems that arise out of sunken vessels that I would never touch one even for 25% of it's pre-sunken value.
Many of us did not slam you but did tell him not to buy the boat. Some of us can read stuff like "When we arrived the broker told me she had sunk at the slip" which tells me you were not trying to hide anything. I still stand by what I said and 119K for a 380 that sunk is just plain ridiculous. I hope the boat was insured and I'm guessing it will be sold at an insurance auction. I don't doubt that your a decent broker but c'mon 119k for a boat that sunk? There are so many problems that arise out of sunken vessels that I would never touch one even for 25% of it's pre-sunken value.
Curious
Gene seems to say that he flew down, THEN found out. Tom says he told Gene, then Gene flew down. Which is true? But i must say, if I had purchased an airline ticket to come see a boat, and then the broker informed me that the boat just sunk the day of my departure, was there an offer to refund the airfare? Also, (here's the biggie). apparently the listing was made before the boat sank. Is there seriously NO price reduction for a boat that recently went down!?
Gene seems to say that he flew down, THEN found out. Tom says he told Gene, then Gene flew down. Which is true? But i must say, if I had purchased an airline ticket to come see a boat, and then the broker informed me that the boat just sunk the day of my departure, was there an offer to refund the airfare? Also, (here's the biggie). apparently the listing was made before the boat sank. Is there seriously NO price reduction for a boat that recently went down!?
380 Catalina
Yes the boat was listed before it ever went down, in fact I had a showing on it the friday before Genes arrival and when we boarded on Friday ith the buyer we found the boat was down. Please understand that she was in a very shallow slip, it was low tide, and she never got submerged. she did have water over the sole but it never got higher then a few inches. The engine, Ac's nav equipment never saw any water at all. The problem has been corrected and she is now back up for sale. The boat is already discounted from the average 2000 380 down to 119,000 and thats a first ask price. The boat shows well and the mechanicals are sound. As a broker we can lead our sellers in the right directio as far as price is concerned but ultimatley price is decided by the owner.
Yes the boat was listed before it ever went down, in fact I had a showing on it the friday before Genes arrival and when we boarded on Friday ith the buyer we found the boat was down. Please understand that she was in a very shallow slip, it was low tide, and she never got submerged. she did have water over the sole but it never got higher then a few inches. The engine, Ac's nav equipment never saw any water at all. The problem has been corrected and she is now back up for sale. The boat is already discounted from the average 2000 380 down to 119,000 and thats a first ask price. The boat shows well and the mechanicals are sound. As a broker we can lead our sellers in the right directio as far as price is concerned but ultimatley price is decided by the owner.
shouldn't matter either way
The circumstances shouldn't matter either way regardless of the broker's integrity. A survey is only minimally useful in this case as no surveyor can be certain to identify all potential and unanticipated issues arising from the sinking. Uncertainty in this case means expense which can't be anticipated. Catalinas have pan and grid access issues below the sole - no one can guarantee no trapped salt water remains to eventually permeate the boat with an intolerable odor regardless of what other issues may also arise. I believe the issue of integrity turns on whether or not the broker or the seller want to acknowledge these potential problems in terms of asking price. Nothwithstanding the above, the concensus seems clear how many of us would buy it.
The circumstances shouldn't matter either way regardless of the broker's integrity. A survey is only minimally useful in this case as no surveyor can be certain to identify all potential and unanticipated issues arising from the sinking. Uncertainty in this case means expense which can't be anticipated. Catalinas have pan and grid access issues below the sole - no one can guarantee no trapped salt water remains to eventually permeate the boat with an intolerable odor regardless of what other issues may also arise. I believe the issue of integrity turns on whether or not the broker or the seller want to acknowledge these potential problems in terms of asking price. Nothwithstanding the above, the concensus seems clear how many of us would buy it.
Guilty, Guilty, and Gulible too!
Dear Tom, I can see how you would be personally offended (should have started your own thread) and it is not fair to make a blanket statement like, "All Poisonlus Snakes Are Deadly" but trouble is...MOST are, and it is hard to tell. Can you ask a broker "are you a crook?" If he is indeed a 'crook' he may be a liar too, no? Long ago, I bought a boat from a dealer (broker) and a proverbial 'nice guy' so are car salesmen for obvious reasons, smart too. I was up front and honest, and they were too, mostly.I didn't have a place for the boat, so wanted to hold off actually buying the vessel for a few weeks/month. No, no, no don't do that! Geeze someone will scoop your boat from here. I was promised the berth for two months. Paid some 60K cash, but did not get the 'promise' in writing. As soon as the deal went through, and the yacht was mine, guess what? Yeah, my buddie the broker came over to me, he was kinda humming & hawwing, but he told me hey "The Boss Didn't know" now that was a big fat LIE! as I found out later. Since then, I have seen this happen many, many times to people. Need aplace to keep it, right here, you got it no problemo...until you pay your money, then you are promptly evicted! Just happened to a guy I know. I know of lotta bad boats sold by brokers, especially in Santa Cruz...;-( I alson have a good friend that is a broker too.
Dear Tom, I can see how you would be personally offended (should have started your own thread) and it is not fair to make a blanket statement like, "All Poisonlus Snakes Are Deadly" but trouble is...MOST are, and it is hard to tell. Can you ask a broker "are you a crook?" If he is indeed a 'crook' he may be a liar too, no? Long ago, I bought a boat from a dealer (broker) and a proverbial 'nice guy' so are car salesmen for obvious reasons, smart too. I was up front and honest, and they were too, mostly.I didn't have a place for the boat, so wanted to hold off actually buying the vessel for a few weeks/month. No, no, no don't do that! Geeze someone will scoop your boat from here. I was promised the berth for two months. Paid some 60K cash, but did not get the 'promise' in writing. As soon as the deal went through, and the yacht was mine, guess what? Yeah, my buddie the broker came over to me, he was kinda humming & hawwing, but he told me hey "The Boss Didn't know" now that was a big fat LIE! as I found out later. Since then, I have seen this happen many, many times to people. Need aplace to keep it, right here, you got it no problemo...until you pay your money, then you are promptly evicted! Just happened to a guy I know. I know of lotta bad boats sold by brokers, especially in Santa Cruz...;-( I alson have a good friend that is a broker too.
380 Catalinas sold recently
99 for 125K in Fla. 2000 110 in S.C. 01 120K in N.Y. 01 140 MD. 01 141 Oakland Ca 2000 for 80,000 in Maine. Several pages more of them, not hard to find
99 for 125K in Fla. 2000 110 in S.C. 01 120K in N.Y. 01 140 MD. 01 141 Oakland Ca 2000 for 80,000 in Maine. Several pages more of them, not hard to find
Tom the broker , after hearing more details
I posted a follow up 4 hours before your first post and wrote "After learning more, this boat might not be as bad was initially thought. I admit I jumped hard on the Marina/dealer selling this, but apparently the details might not be what we all thought" Though I do think you should re-write your yacht world listing to mention that there was a brief event that caused an inch or two water above the cabin sole for just a few hours. If you'd like. One more thing, I will comment on what Don just wrote. I really don't think its that big of a deal that there was salt water in the bilge if its only an inch or two above the bilge (If thats really the extend of it). I guess it really depends on where the boat was flooded, but from what I know of the few Catalinas I have seen water in the bilge area commonly flows way up the sides of the bilge into spaces on a hard tack sailing. (I think it was a galley sink that they forget to close the thru hull on and they were sailing for hours. There was lots of water and ruined the salon throw carpets) The boats don't have any more problems or smells than other boats I know. I think a good flushing out with fresh water would alleviate any worries (I think the head mistress would concur). Probably the best thing they could have done was dump out all the sea water that was in the bilge and then re-flood the bilge with fresh water and then dump that and let dry out well. When we think sunk at the slip we think water above the engine into the electrical panel and wiring and cushions and etc etc. An inch or two above the cabin sole changes the equation drastically.
I posted a follow up 4 hours before your first post and wrote "After learning more, this boat might not be as bad was initially thought. I admit I jumped hard on the Marina/dealer selling this, but apparently the details might not be what we all thought" Though I do think you should re-write your yacht world listing to mention that there was a brief event that caused an inch or two water above the cabin sole for just a few hours. If you'd like. One more thing, I will comment on what Don just wrote. I really don't think its that big of a deal that there was salt water in the bilge if its only an inch or two above the bilge (If thats really the extend of it). I guess it really depends on where the boat was flooded, but from what I know of the few Catalinas I have seen water in the bilge area commonly flows way up the sides of the bilge into spaces on a hard tack sailing. (I think it was a galley sink that they forget to close the thru hull on and they were sailing for hours. There was lots of water and ruined the salon throw carpets) The boats don't have any more problems or smells than other boats I know. I think a good flushing out with fresh water would alleviate any worries (I think the head mistress would concur). Probably the best thing they could have done was dump out all the sea water that was in the bilge and then re-flood the bilge with fresh water and then dump that and let dry out well. When we think sunk at the slip we think water above the engine into the electrical panel and wiring and cushions and etc etc. An inch or two above the cabin sole changes the equation drastically.
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