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I would be very happy to find a 19 m for $3000 - 5000. Most I have seen are 6000 - $8000. Otherwise any 26 for the best price would be fine...
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Look at a Rhodes 22 too
Take a look at the Rhodes 22. It has a nice mast raising system and a number of features that make it easy to launch and go. I bought a used one that I am sailing while I am restoring and it has been great. I have a 79 so I don't have the IMF, and I also don't the mast raising system. We still get the mast up in 1/2 hour with two of us.
http://www.rhodes22.com/
Take a look at the Rhodes 22. It has a nice mast raising system and a number of features that make it easy to launch and go. I bought a used one that I am sailing while I am restoring and it has been great. I have a 79 so I don't have the IMF, and I also don't the mast raising system. We still get the mast up in 1/2 hour with two of us.
http://www.rhodes22.com/
Just another option for you might be a Hunter 23.5. I own a 1996 23.5 and can go from hwy to sailing in about 1 hour. Faster if I push it or if I have help. The 23.5's come with a gin pole and side stabilizers for raising/lowering the mast, the motor is mounted in the "motor well" so there is no need to remove it while trailing, and it has a center board which allows you to beach the boat in less then 2ft of water. Plenty of room for kids to play on the boat while sailing and room for adults to relax.
Its a water ballast so while on the trailer it weighs around #3000 - #4000 depending on if you have gear in it and trailer weight.
Also, they can be found used for $3k-$8K ready to go.
Like mentioned before... the biggest time consumers are all of the ties that are placed on EVERYTHING to keep things from falling off while trailering.
Good luck and have fun...
Todd Hubbell
Its a water ballast so while on the trailer it weighs around #3000 - #4000 depending on if you have gear in it and trailer weight.
Also, they can be found used for $3k-$8K ready to go.
Like mentioned before... the biggest time consumers are all of the ties that are placed on EVERYTHING to keep things from falling off while trailering.
Good luck and have fun...
Todd Hubbell
Someone mentioned the bungee ties......
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-6.html
....on one of the boards and I switched to them. What a difference!! I can't believe that I didn't think of them before since we use them.....
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/hooley-index.html
....at Bonneville on my shelter. If you aren't using them, try them, you will love them,
Sum
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Does anybody have a link to boat value guide? Boats far away seem awlfull cheap. Anything close seems awlfull expensive....
I don't, but I notice that the boats for sale that are being sold by dealers or online services seem to be quite a bit higher in some cases and that is only natural as they want a cut for their services. There are so many boats on Craig's List that is where I would go and I've posted that link before that does the nationwide search.
We were ready to go well over 1000 miles to Texas and over 700 to Calif. to look at boats and there was one in Denver 400+ miles away. To me to get the right boat setup how I wanted it at the right price would be well worth a trip that far once. Now the problem is that you drive all of that way and it isn't the right boat :cry:. To get around that problem to some extent you have a large network of friends right here on this forum and I would also look to the guys on the "Ask all Sailors" forum for help.
Find a boat that you are interested in and then see if someone is in the area that would look at it. Don't put them on the spot to decide if it is a good deal or not. Their mission is to do a look at the boat and see if it "seems" to be in the condition the seller is telling you. If it passes this test then decide if you want to have a survey done by a professional. I wouldn't for a boat that is likely going to be in this price range. Then if you are still interested go look at it with the intention of bringing it home if it meets your requirements.
One of the boats we were looking at was in Phoenix. I asked a friend that also races at Bonneville if he would mind looking at it. At that point I found out that he use to sail and actually had a captains license. He looked at it and was really impressed, so we bought it on his word. He and his wife actually delivered it to us as they wanted to visit us anyway. If anything would not of been right on the boat I wouldn't of held him responsible.
Good luck,
Sum
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We've had a 18'6" trailerable boat (Sandpiper 565) for 3 full seasons now, and we're still really happy and looking forward to season 4.
We drysail her at a yacht club, so we can keep the mast up on the trailer, and we can launch in 15 min or less. So an evening sail is easy. We also haul her all around: mast can be raised and boat launched by 2 people in about 30 min, though usually we just take it easy. We pull her easily with an Xterra, but about any midsize car or van can also pull them. Since the keel goes all the way up, she can be launched just about anywhere. We've already explored several large lakes within 200 miles of our home.
We have found that the two of us can comfortably "cruise" for two or three nights, including food and head. With some planning, you can do a week. The boat is fairly sturdy, but also a fun sail in most winds. We've overtaken some other 20 and 21 ft boats (I've done a few 25+ kt days too)
All told, she's been the right combination of daysailor plus trailerable pocket cruiser for us, and even when we get the "big" boat, I plan on keeping the Sandpiper. Did I mention they can be had used for about $2500 to $6000, including outboard and trailer? Pocket change.
We drysail her at a yacht club, so we can keep the mast up on the trailer, and we can launch in 15 min or less. So an evening sail is easy. We also haul her all around: mast can be raised and boat launched by 2 people in about 30 min, though usually we just take it easy. We pull her easily with an Xterra, but about any midsize car or van can also pull them. Since the keel goes all the way up, she can be launched just about anywhere. We've already explored several large lakes within 200 miles of our home.
We have found that the two of us can comfortably "cruise" for two or three nights, including food and head. With some planning, you can do a week. The boat is fairly sturdy, but also a fun sail in most winds. We've overtaken some other 20 and 21 ft boats (I've done a few 25+ kt days too)
All told, she's been the right combination of daysailor plus trailerable pocket cruiser for us, and even when we get the "big" boat, I plan on keeping the Sandpiper. Did I mention they can be had used for about $2500 to $6000, including outboard and trailer? Pocket change.
I put my Gin pole near the goose neck of my O'Day 222. It really depends on what you intend to use for pulling the mast up. If you're going to use a small boat winch, you can mount the Gin Pole lower on the mast. It you use a block and tackle, you would need to mount it higher to make room for the blocks. I use my boom vang which is a pretty heavy duty four sheave block and tackle with a cam cleat on the pulling end block. My son made my Gin Pole out of 1" stainless steel and it comes apart in two equal lengths for easy stowing. I'm using pivot bridles and baby stays because I have a CDI Roller Furler. If you don't have a furler, you can fore go the bridles and temporary stays. Click on to "Trinkka" or O'Day 222- Owner's Photo Album if you want to see picture of it, plus a lot of other mods. If you need further info, email me and I'll send pic and info. sailtrinkka1986@verizon.net
Joe
Quickest launchable
Like Kenn, I've trailered & launched my Piper many a time on many a lake. This boat rigs easily. In about 10 minutes, two people can step the mast, and then roll her down the ramp. By spending another 15 minutes or so, she's outfitted and ready to go.
You can't lose with a boat like this, if fast, easy, & simple trailer sailing is your goal.
Kenn is right. This a great little boat.
Like Kenn, I've trailered & launched my Piper many a time on many a lake. This boat rigs easily. In about 10 minutes, two people can step the mast, and then roll her down the ramp. By spending another 15 minutes or so, she's outfitted and ready to go.
You can't lose with a boat like this, if fast, easy, & simple trailer sailing is your goal.
This post just made me feel very lucky about my sailing mate...
I rig my 26s in about 30 min. if I have someone who knows how to help; about 45 solo.
I do it all the time...did it for over a year (in a local lake) with out a motor. greatly enhanced my sailing skills...gets tricky at times depending on the strength and direction of the wind relative to the boat dockbut b/t changing the angle of the boat and sails (and at times some "zig zagging" to slow down) then throw the sails loose it is doable. With most docks there is a way to enter into the wind (ideal) or with the wind off the beam or forward.
A few times I had to hop off faster then I liked and had to throw a rope round a tie down to stop when it was going faster than I liked, and there was a hard bump a time or two...but no damage. Most of the time I eased that baby right up to the dock (then you do have to quickly tie bow and aft.)
One time, and I have never had anything even close to this happen again, the wind changed direction at the last second and I could not bail away from the dock...the wind came from behind (not very strong thankfully...) I hopped off the boat ran down the dock waded down the ramp into the water and (nice to have a light boat) slowed/stopped the boat like a football linebacker, had to retreat a few steps to assuage the momentum.!!! (only weigh 155 though). Boat stopped with the bow in about a foot of water, about five feet to the dry cement, nothing, not even the rudder (had the centerboard up) touched bottom! Should have seen the looks on the folks around the dock!
This above event is rare thing...most times it is much easier or you can steer round and try again. One time I had to anchor in a sheltered cove when a huge storm moved in (anchoring solo stories, with no motor, could take up another thread). But I have found that if there is a willl there is a way to make it work, with little if any increase in safety hazard...main thing is to be patient and remember that "slow is fast".
Heading out is much easier...just loop the bow rope to the outside push boat off trailer and tug till the boat turns around grab aft rope and tie up aft still holding bow rope which you then tie and then take out any slack undesired (you have to have the ropes easily accesible for this, and, esp. for the docking.
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Does anybody know the difference in years and models for the Macgregors? I am a bit confused. I have seen 1995 26X boats advertised. I have seen 1996 26S boats advertised. Did they make both models at the same time? I thought 1995's were all S's and 1996 were all X's?
Check this out.......
http://www.wadler.org/boatMac/production_years.php
.... it was in the links below in this link.....................
http://www.wadler.org/boatMac/hullid.php
........... and then over on the left side of the page
From that I would be suspicious of a '96 S unless like I mentioned on the other post it was a title deal or a change of the MSO to move an unsold boat to a current year for sales purposes. Looks like '95 was S's and X's.
Are you looking for an S or X? They are so different once you would see a picture of one or the other you would know what the seller was selling.
c ya,
Sum
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I own H23.5 its water balast,swing keel.It draft is 14" up and 5'6" down. its empty weight is 2000lbs I pull it easy with Ford Sport Trac.
I can step mast single handly in about an hour with taking it easy as it should be.
Love the boat a lot. It claims to sleep six in huge cabin w.galley,port potty,single burner alcohol stove. Much more comforatable with three.
Open water basllast valve to fllood hull with 1000lbs water before launch. Close the samevalve to have ballast weight after launch.
This allows you to leave the water weight in lake and not on the trailer when you head home.
For the money very hard to find a better sailboat.
Roomy,easy tow,shallow draft,fast,easy "jeffy reefing system for main,and easy to look at. Five to six knots w 6hp outboard.
Check out Hunters web site...fairwinds friends.
I can step mast single handly in about an hour with taking it easy as it should be.
Love the boat a lot. It claims to sleep six in huge cabin w.galley,port potty,single burner alcohol stove. Much more comforatable with three.
Open water basllast valve to fllood hull with 1000lbs water before launch. Close the samevalve to have ballast weight after launch.
This allows you to leave the water weight in lake and not on the trailer when you head home.
For the money very hard to find a better sailboat.
Roomy,easy tow,shallow draft,fast,easy "jeffy reefing system for main,and easy to look at. Five to six knots w 6hp outboard.
Check out Hunters web site...fairwinds friends.
But I have found that if there is a willl there is a way to make it work, with little if any increase in safety hazard...main thing is to be patient and remember that "slow is fast".
Heading out is much easier...just loop the bow rope to the outside push boat off trailer and tug till the boat turns around grab aft rope and tie up aft still holding bow rope which you then tie and then take out any slack undesired (you have to have the ropes easily accesible for this, and, esp. for the docking.[/quote]
My boat is pretty light also and can dock without motor if need be, though my usualy sailing grounds almost always have the wind on the nose coming up to the dock. When coming in I have the bow line led around shrouds and the stern line in hand as well. Motor off, I toss the stern line accross the dock (no Monkey's fist, but a sizeable loose knot) just before stepping off with bow line in hand. I can stop the boat by looping the bowline to a cleat and pull in the stern before tying anything off.
Launching, I tie the stern line to the last cleat on the dock(it's the longest line) and with the bow line led around the goalposts it's tied to the front of the trailer. I'll stop as the boat starts to float and perhaps pull forward a foot before it gets too far and to the end of the bow line.
Heading out is much easier...just loop the bow rope to the outside push boat off trailer and tug till the boat turns around grab aft rope and tie up aft still holding bow rope which you then tie and then take out any slack undesired (you have to have the ropes easily accesible for this, and, esp. for the docking.[/quote]
My boat is pretty light also and can dock without motor if need be, though my usualy sailing grounds almost always have the wind on the nose coming up to the dock. When coming in I have the bow line led around shrouds and the stern line in hand as well. Motor off, I toss the stern line accross the dock (no Monkey's fist, but a sizeable loose knot) just before stepping off with bow line in hand. I can stop the boat by looping the bowline to a cleat and pull in the stern before tying anything off.
Launching, I tie the stern line to the last cleat on the dock(it's the longest line) and with the bow line led around the goalposts it's tied to the front of the trailer. I'll stop as the boat starts to float and perhaps pull forward a foot before it gets too far and to the end of the bow line.
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I have an opportunity to buy an American Mariner 8.0 sail boat. So far I cannot find much information about it. What good features as well as bad features does she have? How much is she worth with no sails or motor? Has been sitting for about 10 years outof the water. What specifically should I look for? Anybody have any literature, owners guide, or good interior photos?
Thanks, Mark
Thanks, Mark
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I have a Chrysler C-22 and know the mast seems to be hefter then others of its size, but it doesn't seem to bad to step the mast.
And it looks like I'm moveing up to a C-26 :dance:
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