Persistent air in Fuel - yanmar 3GMD

Jan 4, 2006
7,281
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
I didn't observe and drips at any of the fillings after 16-18 hours - over night and then some.
Air flows INTO a leak far far easier than fuel flows OUT of a leak. That's why I suggested the 6 ft. head of fuel be applied to the fuel line. Gives it some muscle to leak out. If you can take the temporary tubing up the mast for a few extra feet, even better. Take it in stages as nothing stinks like diesel fuel if it really decides to leak.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,281
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Copper washers with rubber strips are strictly a Yanmar product. Only about a dollar or so a few years back. Cheapest thing I've ever bought from the Yanmar dealer.
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Copper washers with rubber strips are strictly a Yanmar product. Only about a dollar or so a few years back. Cheapest thing I've ever bought from the Yanmar dealer.
Hmm, my local yanmar dealer, toadmarine, and torresen don't supply those.
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
well, screwing with the secondary filter, o-ring and seals did not make a difference when drawn from the tank.

I will try directly from the Jerry can again and if that doesn't work, I'll try the extra 6-10' head.

I haven't seen any drips previously but I'll try.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,261
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
I was finding it a challenge to get the 2 copper crush washers to center over the banjo fitting. Then my Injector specialist included a few of these in the box with my newly serviced injectors.
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Problem solved.
 
Apr 22, 2011
944
Hunter 27 Pecan Grove, Oriental, NC
Hmm, my local yanmar dealer, toadmarine, and torresen don't supply those.
The copper seals that Ralph is referring to are called Dowty Seals. Yanmar uses them on their newer diesels. The part numbers are 22190-120002 for the larger ones and 22190- 080002 for the smaller ones.
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
That is great to know. do you happen to know what size bolts these part numbers refer to?
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,261
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
I know you started checking the lines at the tank. Could the dip tube in the tank have a loose fitting or crack. Letting air enter the fuel lines as the fuel is sucked from the tank?

Do you see any air in the Racor filter as fuel is being pumped?
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,659
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I would have offered that maybe you have a plugged tank vent, and after a while, it cannot overcome the vacuum and it stalls…

But since you mentioned that you have the same issue running from a Jerry can, that can’t be the issue.

Frustrating I am sure.

Greg
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
I would have offered that maybe you have a plugged tank vent, and after a while, it cannot overcome the vacuum and it stalls…

But since you mentioned that you have the same issue running from a Jerry can, that can’t be the issue.

Frustrating I am sure.

Greg
very...
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
The air intake for the motor. A diesel motor mostly needs air and fuel to run. You have just about gone through the entire fuel system. Time to at least take a look inside the air filter housing.
good thought, I ran this evening about 25-30 minutes from the Jerry can with the air cleaner out (only a few years old) then stopped engine and another 20-30 minutes with the air cleaner in. There were no issues either way.

The fuel was run though the racor primary filter from the Jerry can.

So I'm thinking it's probably something with the fuel, or the seals on the pickup tube, the fuel valve, or the anti siphon barb fitting at the present time.

I wrapped all fittings with paper towels overnight to see if any leaks.
 
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Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Have you checked inside the air filter housing? Maybe you sucked up something and it floats around until it gets sucked up and blocks off the air flow. Does the engine smoke when it looses power?
no smoke until tried to rev it up once it was stumbling
 
Jul 23, 2009
916
Beneteau 31 Oceanis Grand Lake, Oklahoma
If you really want to know if/where the air is entering the system. Purchase the correct size banjo to barb fittings and some clear vinyl hose. Make a set of temporary fuel lines for the low pressure side. You will see the bubbles if there is air in the system. This would be a good time to add a vacuum/pressure gauge.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,281
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
You will see the bubbles if there is air in the system.
Absolutely brilliant :clap: .

Disconnect the fuel hose from the inlet side of the transfer pump and carefully insert a short length of clear vinyl hose so that you still have a continuous source of fuel to the engine. Get inventive and put a loop in the vinyl tubing to trap some of the air coming along. This is an indicator only, not a cure.

This will tell you IF, IF, IF air is the problem with the engine quitting after running for extended periods. It will not tell you WHERE the air leak is. Remember, @Blitz is still not 100% sure air is the problem.

This has got to be the #1 absolute, ultimate method for checking for air ingress into a fuel line. Easy, quick, and absolute positive proof. If it weren't for the fact that using vinyl tubing in a fuel line is often a prize winner in the Darwin Awards Competition o_O, I would suggest permanently leaving a piece of vinyl in the tubing as an air indicator, same as a vacuum gauge for dirty filters.

Thanks @SycloneDriver .
 
Nov 30, 2008
44
Hunter Legend 375 Sidney BC
I had the same problem turned out to be a loose banjo fitting at the hose to the lift pump.
Just a suggestion to recheck all fittings for tightness.
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
709
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Remember, @Blitz is still not 100% sure air is the problem.
I'm still not sure it is ever was an air problem, but I think I found the main culprit.

Things I checked:

Confirmed that there was no air noted in the Racor filter.

I checked all torques (with torque wrench; 20 ft-lbs on larger, 16 ft-lbs on the smaller banjo fittings) to confirm they were tight. Some tightened a little more than previously, so I ran it and had same issues but with no noticeable drips anywhere.

After wrapping the fittings overnight, I did have one small drop of diesel; located at the Banjo fitting at the secondary fuel filter housing from the line that comes from the lift pump. Very small drip, and later confirmed that really was not enough to be causing all these problems. This maybe a candidate for a Dowty Seal type of washer.

I went back to cleaning out the tank again to further look and re-seal the pick-up tube fittings which didn’t appear to have any issues. Checked to confirm air tightness of the pick-up tube as well.

After removing all the fuel (every drop using a small pump type vacuum fluid extractor I normally use for my oil and rags on a stick) I was able to disconnect the tank enough and move it around to be able to get a good look inside the tank to confirm it was bone dry.

I was surprised to find zero debris except for one piece of what appeared to be a fibrous gasketing material that was a little larger than a quarter in the bottom of the tank. I ran a thin wire in the tank to pierce the material and take it out. This piece is a little larger than the original pick-up tube as shown in the photo, and I could image it could easily clog the tube. I have no idea where this is from, maybe it was in there for years.

Afterwards, I reattached all the fittings and put about ten gallons of fuel in the tank. I ran the engine at various speeds under load for over an hour and fifteen minutes with no issues.

I can’t thank everyone enough for your help. Hopefully I'm in the clear now.
 

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Jan 4, 2006
7,281
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
I ran the engine at various speeds under load for over an hour and fifteen minutes with no issues.
I have submitted this information to "Ripley's Believe it or Don't" and they replied "horse biscuits."

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What are the chances of that piece of gasket sitting partly inside the pickup tube and then periodically fully plugging the tube ? 1 in 1/0 maybe. Time to get out and buy a lottery ticket.