Maybe just bad timing of the shots, but I'm not wild about their sail trim.In the 2016 C-22 Nationals the 3rd place boat in the Gold Fleet used the same Harken furler I use on one of my jib set ups without a forestay, just a luff wire on the genoa was used.
Ah, look closely and you can see they just finished a tac and are still hauling on the sheet.Maybe just bad timing of the shots, but I'm not wild about their sail trim.
I’m sure they are!Bad timing with my photos. I was crewing on another boat in the Gold Fleet. They are quite the accomplished crew.
Don
I don’t think so. That’s not what a Genoa looks like when it’s on its way to final trim (back winded at the luff), the wake behind them is straight, and the clew looks very close to being in it’s upwind position.Ah, look closely and you can see they just finished a tac and are still hauling on the sheet.
- Will (Dragonfly)
Sort of. If your not sailing yet and want to change headsails with no main up technically the lowers will still keep the mast up just fine while you lower the furled sail. You could then hoist the new sail and tighten the halyard and backstay again to get the rake you wanted. However I don't think I would try it with the main up and while underway.@CaptDon01 , the reason I'm not using the luff wire in place of the forestay is that you have to take the mast down to change headsails.
The situation you are describing is predicated on hoisting the wire luff sail on the Jib halyard. I'm pretty sure, @CaptDon01 will correct me if I'm wrong, that he sails with headsail wire luff attached to the forestay pin... so there is no way to change it unless you drop the mast. I don't think I could trust that wire to act as a forestay if it is only run up and tightened by the jib halyard. Too many pivot points and rope stretch involved between the top sheave and wherever your secure that halyard.Sort of. If your not sailing yet and want to change headsails with no main up technically the lowers will still keep the mast up just fine while you lower the furled sail. You could then hoist the new sail and tighten the halyard and backstay again to get the rake you wanted. However I don't think I would try it with the main up and while underway.
On a different note with the forestay in place does your sail furl without rubbing the stay? Seems like the clearance would be a bit tight.
Don, I wasn't questioning any of that... I just wanted to know if you pin the wire luff of the sail/swivel to the masthead forestay pin or do you raise it with the jib halyard?Luke,
I've sailed C-22's for quite a few years, started with our first C-22 over 30 years ago, so I would say I have a bit of C-22 experience. ...
Don
Thanks to all for this discussion... I've been looking at sails from a local manufacturer who can make sails to C22 spec. The info on the 150 is good because in my sailing area there are very seldom days where there is no wind to light wind and before you know it you got 20+ knots blowing it's way towards you across the bay = I like the info on just the jib sail.Luke,
Believe it or not, and contrary to popular opinion, a C-22 sails beautifully with a jib and a main with a lot less work, and far greater forward visibility for safety. I gladly will sail slightly slower and safer and not having to worry about running over that kid in a kayak. Heading out of Mission Bay with a 150 for a day out on the Pacific and the wind pipes up. Guarantee you won't be out on the foredeck changing the headsail.
Leave the genoa home and learn to sail proficiently with a jib, you'll learn more about sail and hull trim and you'll end up being a better sailor.
Don
Luke, when I use my furling jib, the halyard is only used with my factory mast raising system, and when raising the UV sock for the sail at the end of the day. There is no heavy UV panels on my sail so it still retains better performance because the sail is not hampered by the additional material on the foot and the leech, so for UV protection when the boat is sitting at the dock I hoist the jib sock for UV protection of the sail. The luff wire on the sail has a thimble made for this purpose and was installed on the luff of the sail by the Ullman loft in San Diego, this is a common headsail modification where the head and the tack of the sail is sewn to the furling thimbles on the luff wire. So the sail with the top swivel on the head, and the drum assembly on the tack are kept attached to the sail. It's easy to raise the mast because of the reduced weight and flexibility of the luff over traditional furlers. The total length of my jib with the furling gear turned out to be less than the length of the stock forestay. So I measured the length of the drum and the Johnson Quick Lever with the sail and the top swivel and concluded I needed a ~16" lanyard to make up the difference, which I fabricated out of 1/8" 1 X 19 cable with a nicro-press thimble on each end. The top of the lanyard is pinned to the masthead, and the bottom of the lanyard is pinned to the top swivel.Don, I wasn't questioning any of that... I just wanted to know if you pin the wire luff of the sail/swivel to the masthead forestay pin or do you raise it with the jib halyard?