Manson Supreme - first anchoring
- Thread starter Jim Seamans
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What means anchor?
Me, I'd rather lose an anchor than slip away on a windy night. I don't care how dirty or muddy it gets, nor how difficult it might be to hoist it. Worse case scenario, I'll use a second line w a float. And #1 on my list is a hose near the bow. Love my Rocna!
Me, I'd rather lose an anchor than slip away on a windy night. I don't care how dirty or muddy it gets, nor how difficult it might be to hoist it. Worse case scenario, I'll use a second line w a float. And #1 on my list is a hose near the bow. Love my Rocna!
The two issues I have with the Bulwagga are first, the thing is almost impossible to stow. The three flukes make it a lot harder to deal with than a Rocna or Manson Supreme. Second, the third fluke strikes me as a risk of fouling the rode in a reversing current/wind situation—which the Rocna and Manson Supreme just don't have.
The fact that Franklin nearly lost his boat to a Bulwagga doesn't give me much confidence in them either.
Also, the stock's connection to the flukes strikes me as a weak point, since the galvanization there would wear through rather quickly, due to the design, and then lead to corrosion at that point. That isn't the case with the Rocna or Manson Supreme, which have NO MOVING PARTS.
The fact that Franklin nearly lost his boat to a Bulwagga doesn't give me much confidence in them either.
Also, the stock's connection to the flukes strikes me as a weak point, since the galvanization there would wear through rather quickly, due to the design, and then lead to corrosion at that point. That isn't the case with the Rocna or Manson Supreme, which have NO MOVING PARTS.
8' of water
4' to bow
= 12
had 100' out which 50 of was 3/8 chain.
= 8.3 : 1
Now add 5' waves
= 5.8 : 1
Still should have held but the anchor just comes UP to easy. I do think they are great anchors in good protected waters, but any chance of waves and it's better to go with something else.
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WOW! I use 20 ft of 1/4 chain on my 22', I thought 1 foot of chain per foot was the minimum recommended. I also thought the chain helps keep the anchor set and softens the jerking action. I guess I need to read up. I want mine bombproof!!!
Not a bad idea. How about you check out my post #6 above. Might give you a starting place to read.
Results from the Steel SPADE are in the ballpark of the Manson and the Rocna. The lower weight of the aluminum SPADE doesn't "Quick Set" as well, but once set its becomes just as good "pound for pound" as the above anchors(in fact "pound for pound" its probably better because the others are steel - just gotta makes sure the tip digs under the surface of some hard bottoms) If you took another 10 anchoring tests with the Steel SPADE and the Rocna and Manson I would bet a few times it might come on top. Its not like comparing an earlier generation of anchors (CQR, etc) to this new generation. Give the SPADE its due - it was the first that came up with the convex shape versus the tried & true "plow" QCR that was standard on boats for a long time . (Though one must note that the Bruce is Convex and scoop up dirt also).
The SPADE is still a great and tough anchor - the real down side is the cost to buy one, due to manufacturering and locations moved (it was once made in Tunisia, not sure where now I think the manufacturing was sold) . If you can get one used for a good price buy it ! You don't see them for sale cheap often. The sailors that own them like 'em and know their value. Dollar for Dollar you can't beat the price of the Manson Supreme as your primary anchor. (If I needed a new primary anchor that would be my choice)
The other nice thing about the SPADE that no one is mentioning is that it can "break down" into two pieces and be stored below or in the bilge. If I was going off on long term cruising I would keep a SPADE in storage below in case anything happened to my primary anchor.
The SPADE is still a great and tough anchor - the real down side is the cost to buy one, due to manufacturering and locations moved (it was once made in Tunisia, not sure where now I think the manufacturing was sold) . If you can get one used for a good price buy it ! You don't see them for sale cheap often. The sailors that own them like 'em and know their value. Dollar for Dollar you can't beat the price of the Manson Supreme as your primary anchor. (If I needed a new primary anchor that would be my choice)
The other nice thing about the SPADE that no one is mentioning is that it can "break down" into two pieces and be stored below or in the bilge. If I was going off on long term cruising I would keep a SPADE in storage below in case anything happened to my primary anchor.
Rocna has a stowable version coming out. No idea on pricing on it though. The Manson Supreme is probably the bang for the buck though.
No idea on pricing on it though. The Manson Supreme is probably the bang for the buck though.
I suspect that if you pulled a CQR just right you could actually plow with it. I have seen farm plows buried up to the beam because a depth control wheel broke.
The term spade is well chosen for some anchors for the way they enter the bottom and when retrieved bring the bottom with them.
My CQR has always held for me but it is large for my boat, I use quite a bit of heavy chain and I always set a longer scope than is "standard". If I found myself in crowded anchorages I would probably rethink my ground tackle.
The term spade is well chosen for some anchors for the way they enter the bottom and when retrieved bring the bottom with them.
My CQR has always held for me but it is large for my boat, I use quite a bit of heavy chain and I always set a longer scope than is "standard". If I found myself in crowded anchorages I would probably rethink my ground tackle.
Franklin,
I own all three, actually four, a Spade Aluminum, Spade Steel, Manson Supreme and a Rocna. While the Spade is a great anchor it is not a Manson Suprme or a Rocna. DO NOT buy the aluminum Spade of you plan to set in hard bottoms!!
The Rocna and Manson out set the both Spades. The three dimensional weighed tip profile of the Spade is far thicker in cross secton (triangle shaped) which leads to tougher penetration of hard bottoms when comapred to the Rocna or the Manson Supreme. For the price you really can't beat a Manson.
In that test video I did set both the Spade and the Manson three times and every time the Manson beat the Spade. That mud is so hard there that I can drive my car on it and barely dent the surface of the mud. My CQR dragged nealry 50 feet on about six attempts and barely even scratched the surface in that same location. The fact that the Manson set in about three feet is amazing. The fact that the Spade set at all is a testament to it's good design though after using both extensively I do feel the Spade is not on par with the Manson Supreme or the Rocna. Don't get me wrong the Spade is awsome compared to older designs until you use one of the roll bar anchors. I still keep my steel spade on board as my back up because it stows and breaks down nicely. So far with both the Manson Supreme and the Rocna I am at a 100% first try set ratio with zero drags ever. These are the only anchors I have ever been able to say that about.
Which of these tips will see the least resistance pushing into a hard bottom. (hint it's not the three dimensional CQR or Spade tips
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More surface area / more holding power
Oh and I'm NOT making this photo up! This Spade was on the bow of a 650k boat assembled incorrectly, UPSIDE DOWN!, and had been used like that for two years according to the owner who was very grateful I pointed out the assembly error..
Jim, when you sell it
make sure you get them to sign a disclaimer. A strong one.
Ya know, they could always stumble on this thread and try to sue you when their boat washes up on the rocks at 3 a.m.
make sure you get them to sign a disclaimer. A strong one.
Ya know, they could always stumble on this thread and try to sue you when their boat washes up on the rocks at 3 a.m.
Folding Rocna - Not Yet
I talked about this rumour to the North American Rocna supplier at our local boat show recently. Based on this discussion, my conclusion is that a folding version will not appear in the near future.... but I did buy their standard anchor and am looking forward to trying it out.
Thanks Ron
Emailed him this morning, yes I'm selling it...
Funny timing, I was going to post it the gears adds this morning...
Emailed him this morning, yes I'm selling it...
Funny timing, I was going to post it the gears adds this morning...
It is a slip-the-stock in to the fluke type design that uses a bolt to secure the stock for safety's sake, and no, it isn't going to be available any time soon.
I think you'll be very happy with the Rocna... and watch out the first couple times when you're backing down on it... or you might drop the bow person over the bow rails...
I think you'll be very happy with the Rocna... and watch out the first couple times when you're backing down on it...
or you might drop the bow person over the bow rails... - Status