Macgregor and other boats, opinions needed.

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Jul 1, 1998
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Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Dan re Floating Logs

Dan - with regard to concerns about floating logs and if they ever cause problems - you BET they do! The stories are endless. But, I think for a number of reasons it's better than it used to be. Maybe partly because the price of timber has increased to the point where loggers aren't leaving as much behind, the easy-pickings near the shore have all been logged off and they have to go further back from the shore? These are just guesses. There is an effort to capture drift logs and debris but this varies according to funding (disclaimer: I live in Washington so I don't get all the news that a Canadian would get and I base this on what I've read in the local boating magazines). Several years ago at Port Hardy a guy commented that they were hauling about one boat a day with log-impact damage. Damages ranged from caved in bows to prop and rudder strikes. It's a good idea to have an Alaska bulkhead in the bow - that's a watertight area that if the bow is holed the inrush of water won't flood and sink the boat. One year I went up the Sunshine Coast (north of Vancouver) and in the channel abeam Mary Island I noticed a dead head (the term used to describe a log floating vertically with just the but end adrift at the water surface) with some red bottom paint on it. Later we arrived in Pender Harbor and there was a Chris Craft Connie, about a 55-footer, that was slowly sinking. The guys wife I talked to was absolutely frantic. The prop shafts are about 3-inch diameter. They had hit a dead head on the way up - cold have been the same one I saw as they had red bottom paint - anyway, the management was trying to launch a boat that was on the ways that they were working on so they could put the Chris on there. There was also a question of whether the Chris could even fit on the ways but later I found out they got it on. A dead head can be very hard to see, especially in choppy water. Powerboaters need to be up on the bridge so they have visibility and can spot them in time. Besides dead heads and logs there is also the problem with just plain flotsam and the biggest concern here is those pieces of driftwood that aren't big enough to hole the boat but can cause prop, prop shaft, and strut damage. This stuff can be really be hard to spot. Basically you just have to be constantly on the alert and looking out for what's ahead. Under sail at a slower speed isn't quite as much concern at under power or when going at high speed. This is one of the few areas on Earth where you can go and in a fairly short time get some distance from the hoards of people, their development, and their trash that is quickly ruining and destroying our planet. The pollution in the atmosphere and the ocean, unfortunately, is becoming more wide spread so you can't escape and leave that behind.
 
Jun 5, 2004
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Macgregor 26D Boise
makingthyme

Just a question: did you ever own a Mac? Did you ever sail one? Just curious because I see an awful lot of happy families sailing them, almost the most popular boat out there for small families with limited income who want to sail. I am talking about the older 25s and 26s. So are you just parroting someone elses idea, or do you really know what you are talking about? Curious
 
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Fred

There are still plenty of logs in BC. Waters

When there's big high tide you often see a line of logs and debris where tidal currents meet, and deadheads are a normal part of a day on the water. That said, lots of folks here have MacGregor 26s and 26X boats, and use them and like them. They don't seem to sink any more often than Catalinas. The most common damage from logs is outboard/outdrive damage. Very few sinkings. Sailboats go slow enough so we mostly shove the log aside or just slide over it. It has happened to me a few times. I have had dings in my propellor, both on outboards and inboards from smaller chunks that wound not hole a boat. I suggest that because of the log danger, boaters and other tourists should avoid BC. Please forward this warning to all your lists and contacts. Present company excepted, of course.
 
Jul 1, 1998
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Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
You Tell 'em Fred!

And it isn't just in BC and Alaska where one finds all those logs, dead heads, and flotsam. For info, the warnings should also in Puget Sound waters too. It's good to have really good insurance coverage and have it up to date. Check out the wording for exclusions that reads "plant matter", or words to that effect. After all, a log was a plant at one time. Sure, they'll tell you you're covered, that is, until something happens. After you hit something and screw up...., er, hit your screw, er.... pardon me, hit your prop (think I got it now), bend the prop shaft and strut, etc., this is not the time to discuss coverage with your charter company.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Oreana !!!

The last I kept tract of, and that was at least 6 or 7 years ago, Macgregor was pushing out a new boat every 2 hours. Thats incredibly impressive. Someone must be buying them. Around the year 2000, even most Mac dealers couldnt get more than 2 boats a year. On their propaganda videos, they sail in usually 4 to 6 foot seas in the pacific. Are they built cheaply? YES. Is their quality of construction inferior to most other manufacturers? YES. Would I cross the Atlantic in one? NOOOO. Would I sail one from the mainland U.S. down to and through the Panama Canal? NOOOO, but some old timer did. Would I do any of the above in a Hunter 26? Noooooo. Would I coastal cruise in a new or older Mac? YES, without a doubt, because I have. What most people dont understand is that just because it is not of a high quality construction, doent mean it cant do the trick for someone. If they were as poorly constructed as most believe, word would have gotten out and Mac would be out of business. I personally never heard of one folding up and sinking. As for Hunters, I have heard the same story about how flimsy their hulls are and how they oil-can in rough weather. Would I take a Hunter 37 across the Gulf? Certainly. Back to the Mac thing.....when I am no longer strong enough to handle my present rigging, I fully intend to buy a new Mac with a full compliment of sails and trailer it and sail it everywhere. Enjoy your Mac, regardless what others think. Tony B (Highly opinionated toward Macs)
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Oday 25 pittsburgh
oreana123 , nice lift! I have been thinking about

A lift like that for about 6 years. Did you make it or buy it and could you Take a couple of better pictures of it or e-mail me the original picture? thanks, r.w.landau
 
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