Insurance Survey

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
1,742
Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
Dave, Here is a question for you: If you were an insurance company and two boats moored side by side were seeking insurance from you; one newer boat for a value of $100,000 and one older boat for $50,000 which one would you charge more for? Consider that the most likely cause of a total loss would be a hurricane or tornado taking out all boats in a given area. This happens with some regularity. Would the newer boat be less likely to sink? Why then do all insurance companies charge more for older boats with less financial risk?
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,481
-na -NA Anywhere USA
First USAA has gone up and I found another insurer cheaper to include a million additional rider. They are no longer competitive.

One reason for obtain credit ratings, generally those with higher scores generally are shown to be more responsible

Requirements for surveys will vary but it sounds 20 years old is the cutoff for surveys.
Area and conditions also affect quotes for example fresh water in an inland lake will be less vs at the coast. As for values, depreciation regardless what is spent on the boat just like cars does occur. When a boat is so old, I suggest liability only
Use to be a claims manager before becoming a sailboat dealer
 
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TomY

Alden Forum Moderator
Jun 22, 2004
2,769
Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
Our insurer has asked for a valuation survey roughly every 5+ years. These surveys cost about $500 in our area for a 38' boat. These are not the most stingent of surveys but do guard insurers against obvious boat destroyers.

Since we've owned it (19 years) the 59 year old boats value decreased slightly - initially, and then has risen in the last 10+ years. Tricky stuff putting a true valuation on a used boat in this very, very soft market.

We've raised the coverage to cover the increase.
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,113
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Dave, Here is a question for you: If you were an insurance company and two boats moored side by side were seeking insurance from you; one newer boat for a value of $100,000 and one older boat for $50,000 which one would you charge more for? Consider that the most likely cause of a total loss would be a hurricane or tornado taking out all boats in a given area. This happens with some regularity. Would the newer boat be less likely to sink? Why then do all insurance companies charge more for older boats with less financial risk?
Your question is really about 2 separate issues, one the value of the boat and two, the likelihood of the boat owner filing a claim. Insurers look at many factors, in your example are owners of the less expensive model of boat more or less likely to file a claim? How expensive will it be to repair the boat if it is damaged? How likely is it that the boat boat can be easily damaged to a point where it is not worth repairing?

The other issue is how likely is the owner to file a claim? The owner's claim history on auto, home, boat and any other insurance comes into play here. History of filing auto claims? Then perhaps the owner is more likely to file a boat claim. How's the owner's credit rating? Individuals with high credit ratings are deemed to be more responsible and therefore less likely to file a claim. How's the owner's driving record? Lots of tickets, especially DUI tickets? Then more likely to file a claim.

Finally, nothing problem raises red flags more than a request to insurance a boat, house, car, or anything that is well above average market value. That smacks of a scam, not that you would do that, however, insurance fraud has been expensive to insurance companies and to the rest of us because it affects our rates.

The first boat I owned was insured for about $17K, the price I paid for it new. 15 years later it was still insured for $17K when I sold it for about $5K. I wondered why I didn't have an "accident" in which the boat sunk in 800 feet of water......
 
May 17, 2004
5,757
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Every new insurer, including BoatUS, required a survey that was less than two years old.
My questions to the forum are as follows: Do you have to obtain a survey every two years for your agreed value policy?
Have you actually confirmed that the insurers will require a new survey every 2 years on an ongoing basis? I would not be surprised if they want a more recent survey to start the policy, but then would just ask for more infrequent surveys to make sure the asset is being maintained.
 

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
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Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
Thanks all for your responses. Just to clarify, I have excellent credit, no auto driving record, certainly no DUI's, and no history of insurance claims. In my case those types of "red flags" are not factors. Davidsailor26 suggests that maybe insurance companies only require an initial survey to be less than two years old. Maybe, but if you want to shop around you will need a current survey. My experience has been that the annual policy price increases every year, thus forcing you to eventually get surveys and shop. Crazy Dave suggests liability only may be the right choice for an older boat and I think I may do that next year. That would reduce my insurance cost by about 70%. At my age (70) if my boat was somehow totaled I would probably just give up sailing anyway. Thanks everyone.
 

JRT

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Feb 14, 2017
2,060
Catalina 310 211 Lake Guntersville, AL
Given you were originally trying for way over market value, why not just take market value and at least get something?