Here is something that may stir some debate...'no pfd'..

May 1, 2011
4,863
Pearson 37 Lusby MD
Not endorsing the article, but I rarely wear my pfd or tether while sailing solo - and I've logged more than 2000 NM this year. You don't ever put yourself in a position to fall overboard. If it's blowing stink, I'll wear it, but I still don't put myself in a position to fall overboard. I'm sure I'll get some heat for this!
 
Feb 24, 2013
82
Coronado C25 San Pedro, CA
Same here, I am solo most of the time and I have intentions on wearing a harness but by the time I get everything set I sit back and relax and enjoy the sail. I should practice the art of using a harness every time the boat leaves the slip but it's too damn easy to forget it (I'll remember that some day when I'm treading water). I also don't put myself in questionable situations.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,982
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Not endorsing the article, but I rarely wear my pfd or tether while sailing solo - and I've logged more than 2000 NM this year. You don't ever put yourself in a position to fall overboard. If it's blowing stink, I'll wear it, but I still don't put myself in a position to fall overboard. I'm sure I'll get some heat for this!
No heat at all, I agree.

I recently read of someone's experiences, who suggested that one deal with the edge of your deck as a 500 foot cliff. Good advice. I do.

Need to wear them coming, going and during all races here.

The original article Chris posted in his link ends:

Seriously, it’s time we all started to think for ourselves again. What has happened to us? Why do we all just follow along like a bunch of sheep? It’s not just pfd’s, it’s everything. It’s time we recouped some of that independence we once had and started to believe in ourselves again and take responsibility for ourselves. We have all become pathetic little yes-men, err and yes-women too.

Heck, that's why I go sailing! :)
 
Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
I wear mine because my spouse would take significant time to come get me if I fell in.
It's a matter of skills operating the boat. I might change my mind if I could get her
interested in learning a bit more about piloting. As it is, I'm just really glad she wants to
come with me. In poor weather we both wear them or anytime someone goes forward.

Ken
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
There are a few questions/points at issue, but I suppose the fundamental one is when do you, or when should you, wear a life jacket and/or a tether on the boat as a matter of routine? What are the risks?: 1) falling overboard, 2) being knocked overboard by something, or 3) being washed overboard by boarding seas. Crew holding-on (i.e., one hand for boat) while moving about presents a low risk of falling in unless not holding tightly enough; where one trips and still falls in. You could do this all day long over thousands of sea miles without experiencing much risk. However, a tether would be a good idea here if you need both hands for something and cannot hold on all of the time, as in a sail change. Getting knocked hard by something like a wild clew cringle, swinging spinnaker pole, the boom during an unexpected jibe, or even another crew member, might put you into the water dazed or semi-conscious; again, if not holding on tightly at the time. With boarding seas, I know people who have literally been washed out of the cockpit either over, or though, the life lines and into the ocean.

At minimum, IMHO, a solo sailor sailing in heavy seas should be tethered even while in the cockpit. This is preferable to having a lifejacket on only b/c, as someone mentioned, being overboard with the boat "sailing away" is not wonderful either. The risk of being knocked overboard is the most worrisome, however, b/c it could come at anytime, just about anywhere on the boat, when you otherwise might feel secure. Consequently, the only defense is to either be tethered at all times, or have on a lifejacket at all times in case you do go into the water. If you're sailing solo on the high seas w/o a PLD attached to you and you hit the water you're probably toast; if you have a PLD you're still going to need one of those bulky, Type I, offshore jackets to await rescue--the kind that nobody wants to wear around the boat, etc.

My compromise solution, although I don't cruise solo on the high seas as some do so I might be "all wet" here, is to wear a Type III working vest when moving about the boat untethered; in particular, the one shown below. I have one each for my wife and me with our names on 'em. They're easy to put on and take off, light, and not uncomfortable. They usually reside under the dodger foward of the rope clutches when we're at sea. Put it on, go forward or where ever, then take it off when back in the cockpit. They have pockets big enough to hold my hand-held GPS/DSC VHF radio, a knife, light, whistle, and a couple of other items if needed. These are also the ones we use when in the dinghy. Of couse, we have two Type I offshore jackets aboard as well which we would don if conditions got threatening. So, if sailing or motoring alone and I leave the cockpit with the boat under autopilot, I have on the vest and typically my harness as well, with the tether usually attached to the harness at one end with the other end stuffed in a pocket of the vest or of my jeans. If I need both hands for something, I can hook onto the jacklines, or padeye, or something. Nowadays, I keep the GPS/DSC/VHF with me but have no PLD. If I do hit the water still conscious wearing the Type III, and can hit the distress button, I can at least hope for a "speedy recovery" as the boat sails away to some distant shore!
 

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Aug 12, 2014
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Universal Marine Montego 25 San Pedro, CA
I wear mine always if I am singlehanded - and I always (so far) sail in near-shore coastal SoCal. I clip and tether my handheld VHF to me at all times. My boat is not set up with an autopilot, so it would likely round up eventually (sooner than later, assuming the tiller was not lashed).

I always wear mine if we have kids aboard, then everyone must wear one (my rule). I think with things like bike helmets and life jackets, you have to lead by example with kids.

Usually I am not singlehanded, and usually we don't have kids aboard., and usually I don't wear the PFD, unless it's windy or very choppy, when I DO wear it.

On the motorcycle forums there is an everpresent thread of this nature, which boils down to your personal tolerance for lethal risk balanced against convenience and style preferences. For me, an auto inflatable offshore PFD fits the bill and is unobtrusive and really not even that ugly. It's a piece of equipment, not your favorite shirt.

Use common sense, is my rule overall. :thumbup:
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
I wear my PFD every sail. I didn't at first, but I decided I want to set a good example and emphasize the point that Sailboats, no matter how experienced you are or how calm the weather, are inherently dangerous, and I sail on a lake which is usually pretty calm. I chartered a sailboat recently, and the captain did not even spend a minute to tell our party of 6 where to find a PFD or how to deploy the throwable. I always tell my wife or passengers, let's have fun, let's make it exciting, but let's not be unsafe. I do not drink a beer til we are tied to the dock after the sail.

Now, my wife gets my PFD out before every sail. It is a part of the preparations for the sail. I don't even think about it. It is comfortable.

Thanks,

Andrew
 

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I believe that once a person begins to rely on something other than themselves for their safety and security, they feel invulnerable.
I think it can best be seen when riding a motorcycle. With a full face helmet, one becomes isolated from the road and the sensations of riding on the bike, again invulnerable. With no helmet at all, the feeling of vulnerability is all too apparent.
If you go over the side with a harness on from the foredeck, especially single handed, unless you can hoist yourself back on the boat one handed, you probably won't survive. Even if your spouse is there, and does everything perfectly, the beating you will take before she can attach a halyard to you and winch you aboard would be severe to life threatening.
Just the extra hassle of avoiding jacklines, unhooking and rehooking yourself as you move around the deck in heavy weather, never mind the potential for getting the harness line tangled around your feet, are all reasons IMO for just not having one on.
Being at the helm in extreme conditions, could be a situation in which I would consider being tied on, but so far I've not felt the need, even in the several hurricanes and numerous severe gales I've encountered at sea.
As a singlehander, I will not wear a PFD at sea. The idea of a long, lingering death just doesn't appeal to me. Other times I find them uncomfortable and a nuisance, and quite unnecessary if one doesn't go over the side.
At this point someone is bound to reply with that old, "Sh*t happens" thing and my only reply is that in over 50 years on vessels of all types and in every imaginable condition, professionally and for pleasure, that "sh*t" has not ever happened to me or anyone who has gone out on the water with me. So honestly, I guess it really doesn't HAVE to happen at all.
IMO there is a much greater likelihood of some bit of lifesaving equipment failing or causing a problem, than a cautious, thinking mariner getting into trouble and needing lifesaving equipment.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
If I'm solo... I wear it. Otherwise... I hope someone will come back for me... :)

If it is howling... my kids wear one on deck.... and I usually wear one as well.

But there is more that one scenario implied in the above. I guess if you are sailing in very cold water then the PFD is not all that helpful... but if you are in warmer water, near a shore... or a heavy traffic area... then the PFD does up your odds a bit....
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,926
Catalina 320 Dana Point
As a singlehander, I will not wear a PFD at sea. The idea of a long, lingering death just doesn't appeal to me.
Had the same thought when caught by a gale in a remote location once, "I should put a PFD on, but if I went over no one could even get here in this storm, let alone find me before hypothermia, I think I'll just concentrate on staying in the boat."
Had a friend once point to my MOB gear on the rail and laugh "Just who do you figure is gonna throw that to you ?"
I haven't found the way to "quote" someone correctly in the new format yet, my apologies.
 
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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
As a singlehander, I will not wear a PFD at sea. The idea of a long, lingering death just doesn't appeal to me.
Had the same thought when caught by a gale in a remote location once, "I should put a PFD on, but if I went over no one could even get here in this storm, let alone find me before hypothermia, I think I'll just concentrate on staying in the boat."
Had a friend once point to my MOB gear on the rail and laugh "Just who do you figure is gonna throw that to you ?"
I haven't found the way to "quote" someone correctly in the new format yet, my apologies.
When I was sailing with my cat, I tried repeatedly to teach her to call a mayday if I went overboard, but I guess she was a pretty stupid cat. She did alright with the English and all, but she just couldn't get the hang of pushing the transmit button on the mike.
 
Nov 26, 2012
1,654
C&C 40-2 Berkeley
Think about how stupid you are gonna feel if you fall overboard as you begin to realize that you are toast. Wear a life jacket.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
I think this conversation would be more informative if we separated warm water sailing from hypothermic sailing. All of the "good" arguments for not wearing one seem to involve hypothermia.

So maybe speak on this issue w.r.t. cold water sailing...How long can you survive in 40 degree water? And would a PFD give you an edge? Would wearing a personal ERIB on your PFD be a good idea in cold water? Or is there enough time for it to matter?
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Temperature (F); Exhaustion/Unconsciousness; Expected Survival
32.5 degrees; Under 15 minutes; Under 15 to 45 minutes
32.5 to 40 degrees; 15 to 30 minutes; 30 to 90 minutes
40 to 50 degrees; 30 to 60 minutes; 1 to 3 hours
50 to 60 degrees; 1 to 2 hours; 1 to 6 hours
60 to 70 degrees; 2 to 7 hours; 2 to 4 hours
70 to 80 degrees; 2 to 12 hours; 3 hours to indefinite
Over 80 degrees; Indefinite; Indefinite

http://www.pfdma.org/choosing/hypothermia.aspx

What's evident; the more of your body that's in the water, the faster the heat loss. PFD that keeps your head out of the water is preferable to one that does not, or to none at all.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Thanks King

That is some good info. I sail in a lake through the winter and have often gone out in cold weather. I think I could make it to shore if I had a PFD.... I always wear one.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,239
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Thanks King

That is some good info. I sail in a lake through the winter and have often gone out in cold weather. I think I could make it to shore if I had a PFD.... I always wear one.
When I sailed my Hobie 16 in the fringe seasons (spring and fall), I always wore a wetsuit but didn't bother with a PFD. Wet suit keeps you warm, it's easier to swim, and it even provides flotation with just minimal effort. PFD won't keep you warm and it is much harder to swim when wearing one. If I'm sailing in a location where swimming maybe a mile or two can get me to safety, I don't want a PFD. If the location is remote and the water is warm or if you actually have somebody on board to turn around, then it makes sense to wear one if you are just going to be floating until rescue.
I never wore a PFD when windsurfing in cold water. The wetsuit or steamer will keep you warm and maneuverable no matter what.