fire extinguishers type / difference question

[Bob B.]

Us Canadians don't shoot trespassers

much anymore, too messy. Not unless they are rustling eh. Running out of arrows. Just give em 3 heavy duty 6% Canadian beers eh. When they pass out, we call the RCMP guy who will arrive on a black horse & haul em away to the hoos-gow.You folks better be careful with what kind of weapons you develop with all that CO2, taser & instant freeze stuff. You know what happens when you stockpile WMD eh.On a more serious matter. The Molson/Coors merger might bring you some tasty beer or does the law limit the alcohol content.And on the bear snacking issue Rick, my daughter has a farm close to Peace River & there is a black bear hanging around their house. So far the dogs chase him away. Can't shoot him. The Fish & Wildlife Dept. frown on that. Bear steaks don't sound too appetizing but I hear the galbladders fetch a good price.When I was working I had the opportunity to visit a few Celanese Chemical/Fibers plants in Texas & the east coast. Good folks to work with.I would like to have some of your weather. We have a short sailing season. We have had some frost here although it was 22 degrees C a couple of days ago. Wouldn't enjoy your tornadoes. We had one in Edmtn killed 27 people. Nice talking to you eh, Bob B.

 

[Rick Webb]

I Don't Want to Shoot Yogi and Boo Boo Bob

I was thinking of feeding the perp with a beer can size dent in his head to them.

 

[Fred Ficarra]

Rick, are you talking about our Yogi?

Today!!!, our infamous Fish and Wildlife clowns shot a black bear in Centralia WA. First they treed it and shot it with 3 tranquilizer darts. It fell into a bramble patch under the tree. Then it took off toward freedom. Unfortunately a crowd of several hundred humans were near the escape route watching the show, so they shot her in the head as she ran away. (with a real gun) They said that those onlookers had to be protected. I say F*$# the humans. Yogis dead. Her crime? Eating garbage and not being scared of humans.Again,,,GRRRR

 

[John Dawson]

William of Pueblo

If you have a fire on board, just pee on it next time.

 

[william3045]

geeezzzz. i better be careful what i ask

i guess i could be safe in peeing on it outside the three mile limit???

 

[Jeff M21319]

Hey Fred, they did just about the same thing...

here not too long ago. A mountain lion was spotted in a tree by some people who then called the P.D. Because this was in a suburban neighborhood, instead of trying to tranquilize it they simply shot it dead with a rifle. They had T.V. news footage of the whole thing, and that poor mtn. lion didn't look at all threatening, in fact, it looked kind of scared! People were pretty upset that no alternative action had been tried before simply killing it, but when asked why animal control hadn't been allowed to try and capture it, they said it could have jumped out of the tree and escaped or attacked someone! End of story for the mtn. lion!Even better, during the summer, a black bear had been spotted coming out of an unoccupied house with some food in its mouth. The bear wasn't being aggresive and appeared to be a juvenile. The cops were called and a certain female officer decided to use a 'bear deterent round' to scare it back into the hills. (a 'bear deterent round' is just a basic 'bean bag' round for a 12 guage shotgun) The proceedure is to load the shotgun with 3 rounds of bean bag and have three rounds of slug loaded just in case the bear decides to attack. Unfortunately, this officer was apparently unfamiliar with the proper proceedure for loading a shotgun and put the bean bag rounds in the magazine FIRST, followed by the slug rounds. As anyone familiar with tubular magazine shotguns knows, 'last round in, first round out' soooo, when she racked a round into the chamber and fired at the bear, she hit him in the head with a slug at a range of about 50 feet. No more bear. Never did hear what happened to the officer (she was shown on T.V. crying and saying 'I can't believe I did that') but I sure hope they sent her back for some remedial firearms training!!

 

[Fred Ficarra]

AND THEN THERE WAS THE TIME

a lady called the fish and wildlife phone number for the Seattle area. A cougar was in her tree in the back yard. It was the cougars domain, the neighborhood was brand new. The local TV crew heard the call on the scanner. (channel 5) They sent a crew and beat the wildlife agent to the scene) The cougar was video taped. He was just cooling his heels in the tree, soaking up the sun. The agent was seen pulling up in a van. He gets out, walks to the back of the house and looks at the cat. Then he goes back to the van and gets his 30.06 and just shoots it! Didn't hesitate. The home owner was devastated. They had to call an aid car for her. The agent? Loaded up the dead cat and drove off. This was all on the 6:00 news during the dinner hour. Not once since that day about 10 years ago have I failed to pass on that story, nor have I supported those people in anyway. But I have a home movie I took, of my hand in a first generation 'domesticated' year old cougars' mouth. He is seen 'gnawing' my hand. (I was much younger then, ) Even that old 8mm film transfered to video tape can't hide the sheer magnificence of that cat. So maybe I'm prejudice.

 

[Bill18593]

Sure am glad that...

this thread has remained so close to topic. *o

 

[John Dawson]

We may need to ask Peggy about that

My understanding is that if you pee overboard, its legal anywhere, but if you pee into a bucket and then pour it overboard, thats illegal discharge. So Peggy, should they have just shot that mountain lion or what? Animal control people are not exactly PETA material most of the time.

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

How did I get dragged into this???

 

[Rick Webb]

Another Good Idea, Even If I Do Say So Myself

If you do not have a fixed system is to have a port to shoot the fire extinguisher through. It would not be pleasant having to lift the engine enclosure while the compartment is on fire. I am not sure there is one that is made for that purpose but it seems like an easy fabrication.I remember when I was flying Hueys the foot rests to climb to the top were flush to the fuselage and spring loaded to open up into the engine bay.The engine compartment seems like a likely place to burn and a plan to fight the fire in that space seems prudent.

 

[Calif. Ted]

The device is called a "fire port", manufactured

by Marine East and available for about $10. Never used or seen one but from experience can tell you that the fires always flare up when you open them to oxygen. Link is to West M page with the fire port.

 

[Jeff M21319]

I once saw a guy who could have used one...

of those fire ports. We were at a small lake in the south bay area and were getting ready to launch the boat. A guy that had already launched was at the dock and having trouble getting his engine to start. We weren't paying much attention to him until someone yelled "FIRE!". We all turned and looked down at the dock and smoke was coming out of the engine cover 'box' on his I/O skiboat. I went to grab the fire extinguisher out of our boat as my buddy Bill ran down to the docks. Just as I jumped out of the boat with the f-e, I heard Bill yell 'NO!". Just then the guy opened the cover and WHOOSH, a big ball of flame came up and nailed the guy. He stumbled back and fell over the side of his boat into the water. A bunch of people hit the fire with their extinguishers and a guy who was a fireman jumped in the water and pulled the guy up the ramp. His face and hands and arms looked like they were burned pretty bad, and a firetruck and ambulance showed up a few minutes later to take him to the hospital. The fire was already out, but they checked it anyway and then helped the burned guys friends get the boat back on the trailer. The boat wasn't too bad, but it was gonna need a lot of work. After all the excitement settled down, the fireman told us that when the guy had opened the cover a rush of fresh air got in and made the fire take off. That's why my buddy Bill had yelled at him in the first place, he had seen someone before lift the hood on a car with an engine fire and the same thing happened. One of those 'fire ports' would have been a good thing to have, because you don't need to lift the cover and let in more air before you can hit it with the f-e. Another good reason to have a Halon extinguisher, it's a 'flooding' agent and you don't have to point it directly at the fire. I hadn't thought about that day in a long time, but now I think I'll get one and install it in the aft lazerette where the outboards fuel tank is.Jeff

 

[John Dawson]

I thought Halon was illegal...

or at least beaten to death. But Peggy is right, tethers are an important part of fire prevention. Always wear your tether when peeing at the rail or on your stove/engine when sailing alone or in rough conditions. And if the cougar had been on a tether in compliance with local ordinances, and had all its shots and tags, it would be alive today.

 

[Rick Webb]

Just Occured to Me

It is not Molson that has the blue cans. It is of course LaBatts. If anyone has a can around we need to know if they are the same size as ours south of the border. I know Coors cans are a smaller size this is going to be important to determine the bore of the cannon.

 

[Bob B.]

Cannon Bore/New weapon

To all you folks on medication!The Canadian beer cans are 66 mm in diameter & hold 355 ml of beer. I have heard of 8% beer but not tried it, too dangerous for me. We don't know about inches or ounces or stuff like that. You should be able to develop some serious weaponry with my space craft eh. This (& good beer) is Canada's contribution to your space program.Happy hunting, Bob B.

 

[Bob B.]

Space Craft

How about a squadron of two!!

 

[patrick]

Mythbusters had an episode

I saw yesterday where they made a CO2 fire extinguisher canon (or is it cannon?) for one of their episodes. I think they have been reading this thread and stole our idea. They did not use it for beer cans though. They were researching radar countermeasure myths. They used their "device" for shooting aluminum foil into the air to defeat the police radar gun. It failed the test and so did the other ideas.It looked like they simply made a barrel out of ABS plastic pipe. They also tried removing a magnetron from a microwave and using it to jam the signal. All I can say is YIKES!! Lucky they did not cook somebodies eyes or worse. If they had only asked us, we could have come up with some real good gate grabbing countermeasures using a wireless network card or something.This ABCS would not fall into the WMD category. I think it would be rather limited destruction (WLD?). What do you think it would do to a bear or couger?Bob, I like your space ship. Did you make it yerself?Gives a whole new meaning to ABCs - aerial beer countermeasure system. Eh?By the way, Bob, you will be gratified to know that I got my medication in White Rock - eh? Penecillin and tylenol 3 for my infected wisdom tooth. I have slept most of the last three days with all that stuff. Oral surgery Tuesday. Canada has a great medical/dental plan if you aren't Canadian. I really like my dentist in White Rock! He is the best dentist I have ever been to and really inexpensive so if you don't lock your car doors while you are there.... I hear the government is not officially on strike there. They had the northbound trucks backed up only 2.5+ miles onto I5 though. I wonder what a real strike would be like?John, I am confused. Why would you pee on your stove/engine? That sounds dangerous. Does your boat have some kind of combination thing that you cook on called a stove/engine? Still can't think why you would pee on it. I know all of this talk of beer makes me think of peeing but what are you thinking? And why would you wear a tether? Is that an east coast thing or what? Bob, you better run right down and get a license for the bear, feed him some of that 8 percent beer, and then put a collar and leash on him... Maybe it is the medication ... I am going back to sleep now. Catch you all on Wednesday.

 

[Fred Ficarra]

Patrick, EXACTLY!

I've never seen you ramble like that. Great drugs huh?

 

[patrick]

Fred - I am not rambling

just trying to keep up with this thread and add my two cents. I did not once mention the ozone thingy or lawyers either. My head is not spinning either, the room is.