Espar Diesel Heaters and their Associated Problems

Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Have any of you had the pleasure of having your Eberspacher (Espar) diesel heater drop dead right in front of you ?

This is not an easy item to diagnose as nowhere in the Espar literature can I find anything on troubleshooting such a demise to determine whether the Espar 30100154 thermostat (stat) or the Espar D3LCC heater is at fault. They priint all of the useful stuff such as broken wires ? (no), obstruction in the air inlet ? (no), no fuel ? (no), voltage over 12.0V ? (yes) and everything else a blind man and a small boy could easily solve. But nothing electronic to help you separate the stat from the heater as to who is at fault

Seeing as how the heater is almost impossible to reach let alone remove, I got down on my knees in front of that stat and started to pray like Jimmy Swaggart on Sunday morning that the stat that was at fault. It's easy to reach and much cheaper.

That got me nowhere in a hurry as there are no wiring diagrams for anything that's even remotely close to that stat and I can't figure out how to manually send a signal to the burner to make a noise, a knock, a sputter, anything would be welcome.

My last resort will be to somehow remove the heater plus stat and send the whole thing off to a repair shop and hope that the hourly rate doesn't eat up the cost of a new burner coming in around $3,000.00 if you order within the next 30 minutes :yikes:.

If anyone has experience with one of these heaters and willing to pass along their knowledge, I would forever be in your debt if you would put up your hand. I will then explain in the greatest of detail for anyone out there having trouble getting to sleep at night. This will act like a Mickey Finn to any and all insomniacs who's eyes cross this material .
 
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Aug 18, 2018
161
Hunter 410 MDR
While I don't have your brand heater, I've been using a very similar looking Chinese made diesel heater for7 years now.
I'm almost willing to bet your glow plug died. Its the only thing I've ever had break.
Doesn't your controller/thermostat give you an error code?
Glow plug fix is relatively cheap and easy of you can reach the unit.
Not sure if this helps, but it gives you some ideas maybe.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,756
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Have any of you had the pleasure of having your Eberspacher (Espar) diesel heater drop dead right in front of you ?

This is not an easy item to diagnose as nowhere in the Espar literature can I find anything on troubleshooting such a demise to determine whether the Espar 30100154 thermostat (stat) or the Espar D3LCC heater is at fault. They priint all of the useful stuff such as broken wires ? (no), obstruction in the air inlet ? (no), no fuel ? (no), voltage over 12.0V ? (yes) and everything else a blind man and a small boy could easily solve. But nothing electronic to help you separate the stat from the heater as to who is at fault

Seeing as how the heater is almost impossible to reach let alone remove, I got down on my knees in front of that stat and started to pray like Jimmy Swaggart on Sunday morning that the stat that was at fault. It's easy to reach and much cheaper.

That got me nowhere in a hurry as there are no wiring diagrams for anything that's even remotely close to that stat and I can't figure out how to manually send a signal to the burner to make a noise, a knock, a sputter, anything would be welcome.

My last resort will be to somehow remove the heater plus stat and send the whole thing off to a repair shop and hope that the hourly rate doesn't eat up the cost of a new burner coming in around $3,000.00 if you order within the next 30 minutes :yikes:.

If anyone has experience with one of these heaters and willing to pass along their knowledge, I would forever be in your debt if you would put up your hand. I will then explain in the greatest of detail for anyone out there having trouble getting to sleep at night. This will act like a Mickey Finn to any and all insomniacs who's eyes cross this material .
Typically a glow plug, dosding pump or fuel issue. Have you cleaned it? Which Model? Put a clamp meter on heater B+ and let me know max current during start up..
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,453
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
WPerhaps the Espar heater is designed like a VW Golf Gti. Impossible to diagnose engine issues that are often blamed on the loss of magic smoke.

Since prayer has already been invoked I’ll offer up some guesses.

The symptoms were sudden failure “drop dead in front of owner”. It suggests that the unit was in operation. The attack occurred without warning. Applying the principles of Occam's razor.
  1. Flame of life snuffed out
    • Loss of fuel pump?​
    • Fuel line blockage?​
  2. Clogged burner with coke (not the white kind)
I know random guesses. Good luck. I fear the heater may require a heaterectomy.
 
Jun 17, 2022
518
Hunter 380 Comox BC
Espar does have troubleshooting instructions published. WIth that thermostat though, you are very limited in diagnosis analysis beside the obvious steps below:

a) have you done the regular maintenance (ie: 1000 hrs or less) ? they need regular cleaning and inspection
b) does the heater have it's own fuel feed from the tank?
c) does the fuel pump tick? does fuel come out at the heater? (disconnect the hose)
d) does the fan kick on? how long before it stops?
e) does it ignite then shutdown?
f) is there any impediments to airflow?
g) is it possible it was switched off without allowing for the cool down cycle?

Usually, it's far easier to bench test them and find the fault (glow plug, ECU, fan, etc...) after spending 10 minutes at the boat with the basic diagnosis.

I take it you've sent it to Ontario for service?

If it's anything over $400, it's probably better to just change to one of the better Chinese diesel heaters. Worst case you need adapters for the hose sizes and pull new control wires.

On the bench, techs use software to help diagnose. The newer digital t-stat shows error codes.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,180
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Have any of you had the pleasure of having your Eberspacher (Espar) diesel heater drop dead right in front of you ?

This is not an easy item to diagnose as nowhere in the Espar literature can I find anything on troubleshooting such a demise to determine whether the Espar 30100154 thermostat (stat) or the Espar D3LCC heater is at fault. They priint all of the useful stuff such as broken wires ? (no), obstruction in the air inlet ? (no), no fuel ? (no), voltage over 12.0V ? (yes) and everything else a blind man and a small boy could easily solve. But nothing electronic to help you separate the stat from the heater as to who is at fault

Seeing as how the heater is almost impossible to reach let alone remove, I got down on my knees in front of that stat and started to pray like Jimmy Swaggart on Sunday morning that the stat that was at fault. It's easy to reach and much cheaper.

That got me nowhere in a hurry as there are no wiring diagrams for anything that's even remotely close to that stat and I can't figure out how to manually send a signal to the burner to make a noise, a knock, a sputter, anything would be welcome.

My last resort will be to somehow remove the heater plus stat and send the whole thing off to a repair shop and hope that the hourly rate doesn't eat up the cost of a new burner coming in around $3,000.00 if you order within the next 30 minutes :yikes:.

If anyone has experience with one of these heaters and willing to pass along their knowledge, I would forever be in your debt if you would put up your hand. I will then explain in the greatest of detail for anyone out there having trouble getting to sleep at night. This will act like a Mickey Finn to any and all insomniacs who's eyes cross this material .
Ralph,

I have one of these Espars, factory installed, on my Bavaria 38E which was imported at Vancouver, BC. The unit is at least 27 yr old. It does not work as it once did, and that fault appears to be in the thermostat control. It blows plenty of hot air, but it does not regulate cabin temperature as it once did. I do it manually by switching the unit on and off, etc., as needed. What are your symptoms?
KG
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,180
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I just remembered. There is a separate wire that attaches directly to the battery. If it corrodes through or falls off, the unit will not start at the thermoswitch. I've had to reattach mine a couple of times. Check the small wire connections to your battery terminal. If you have not fixed it once already, that might be it.
 
May 7, 2012
1,603
Hunter e33 Maple Bay, BC
At the advice of the local Espar factory trained tech, I gave up on my Espar hydronic furnace last summer and replaced it with an Autoterm hydronic. I cursed it the Espar) like only a sailor can, from new. Anyway Ralph, I am sure you have seen the install manual for your stat and probably of little use to you but here is a link to it:
Installation Instructions for Ralph's Stat

I do have an Espar 30100135 "Stat" that if it is of any use to you at all is yours for the taking.
Len's Old but still working "Stat"
 
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Apr 10, 2010
131
Catalina 310 166 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
Your thermostat be it digital or analog will or should show a code. If analog then the green light will flash a number of times which can be looked up in the tech manual. If digital it will show a number again indicating the fault. The following website should have the technical and trouble shooting manual for your model.
Eberspacherdirect.com/technical-library/
When my espar on the Catalina 30 had a problem I noted the green flashes looked in the manual the owner had left for me and determined the problem was beyond my skill and technical talents. Removed the unit took it to the dealer who determined after careful examination that replacement parts and service would be prohibitive and therefore I purchased a new one that was about one boat buck since they would use my old unit for spare parts. Sold the boat about 6 months later, espar working nicely.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Firstly, my thanks to all responders for your experiences and knowledge of diesel heaters but even more important, are my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. It's not been an easy course you've set for me.

Allow me to present a few more details the day the Espar died. Where's the problem ...... stat or burner ? Flip a coin, take your chances. You can only be wrong 50% of the time.

A week ago I was in the process of re-locating the stat as it had always had poor responce due to (most likely) being in a location with poor air movement and close the hull which is covered by a wooden veneer liner as shown below :

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I was in the process of moving the stat to a more open area and well away from other sources of temperature error. I took my time and spent a week installing 8 ft. of additional cable using a junction box :

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Nice and neat (lucky) as only one original colour from the Espar harness changed ie. white to yellow.

Just to be sure, I took a picture of the original wiring connections by Roton Industries in Vancouver which worked well for some 26 years :

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The stat part number (PN 30100132) is the closest guess I could make with Espar's infinite selection of stats all separated by a vast array of part numbers and the last 2 digits are the only ones to change. Physically, all of the stat exteriors with PN 301001 _ _ look the same and they never tell you what the difference is between stats. All I can say is that mine is the simplest one they have to control a three level burner and the stat has no means of self analysis.

Once the new wiring was in place and the thermostat was relocated to its new location, the thermostat was wired according to the original photo. The single wire to the (+) battery post was once again connected and the heater turned on. The battery was fully charged at this time. The heater went through its startup as it always had before. I let the boat heat up for about an hour as it had cooled off while the thermostat was being installed (and it was freezing outside). After about an hour, I noticed the boat was getting warmer than need be and I turned the thermostat set point down. The burner stayed on high. Again I turned the set point down. The burner stayed on high. Finally I turned the set point down as low as it would go, but the burner output did not decrease from high by the sound of the fan and the ticking of the fuel pump. An IR gun showed the temperature of the thermostat body to be around 65°F and a wall mounted thermometer in the area showed the same. Just to be sure of what I was seeing, I directed a hair dryer at the thermostat until the body showed 80°F without any decrease in the output of the heater. At that point, I manually switched OFF the thermostat using the OFF/ON switch. After that shutdown, there was no sound or amperage draw when the ON switch was turned on at the stat.

The wiring to the stat and the purpose of each contact is shown below :

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The figures on the left side are voltage readings from the battery connection (5=POWER) to the remaining terminals when the stat switch is turned OFF and below when the switch is ON. The voltages seen when the switch was in the OFF position are due to the battery charger being on and at the float stage. This terminal check was not done in relation to any of the above tests.

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In the 26 years since I bought the boat, I have never allowed an outsider to do any work on the boat. From renewing anchor lights on the mast, to all engine maintenance, plumbing, electrical work, to bottom painting and all the grunting that goes with it (that and swearing, I really do quite well.) This was going to be a hard pill to swallow if I had to bring in someone to do it for me.

After posting my first post, early on I realized I was not going to get too far until I knew the exact model number of the burner unit. That, I was told, is on a sticker located towards one end of the heater. Unfortunately, I have always known that getting up close to this beast was going to be my Waterloo due to its location as shown below :

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There are those that say this lazarette was the original "Black Hole of Calcutta" (BHOC). Stick your head in there and you too will believe. The interior is crowded with hoses, wiring, and rudder columns of every shape and dimension imaginable. This is what you're met with inside :

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I was solo on this trip as all the members of my boat crew were off attending other social activities on this day. Seems that whenever I need help, these people are always tied up with every sort of social undertaking imaginable ............. births, deaths, weddings, divorces, funerals, Bar Mitzvahs, you name it, they're going to one. One couple was married twice in the same year and then once a year later, another one has been to a great aunt's funeral three times (same great aunt every time), and another attends their nephew's Bar Mitzvah every year (same nephew). I can't keep track.

Seeing as how I was not about to enter the BHOC by myself, I used my cell phone with the video set to 4K and 60 frames/second. Stuck it on the end of a selfie stick and jammed it into the BHOC. With my usual luck, I was not able to get close enough to the heater for a good shot. I moved very slowly at suspected label locations but was not able to get near it at the correct angle due to everything getting in the way. This one frame was as good as it got in the wet snow mixed with rain :

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Just not able to get the camera high enough due to the obstructions. Also, not being able to spreken ze deutsch (or English for that matter on a bad day) I can't see if there's a field for a model number elsewhere on the label. Lot's of junk to remove before I can even think about venturing down into no man's land.

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@Windpilot No. My stat is old enough that it doesn't have any form of self analysis. The glow plug sounds like a good candidate for an "experimental replacement" seeing as it's relatively cheap. Thanks for that idea.

@Maine Sail No I have never cleaned the heater in 26 years. Early on I decided to adhere to that old idiot idiom that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." This was only because of the lack of any idea how the heell to get to the burner. Once it craps out, I'll deal with it then. Well, it's crapped out now and it's time to pay the piper. You've seen how well the attempt to look at the model number worked out. Unless you see another number on the label that is the model number and the number I am not quite able to see only gives a general group number ie. D3LCC.

Put a clamp meter on heater B+ and let me know max current during start up..
I do not have a DC clamp meter and my other meters would not be able to handle the IIRC current of ~ 15 - 20A for the glow plug. Looking at my Link 10 battery monitor with no other DC loads on the 12 VDC wiring in addition to the battery charger being turned off, the Link 10 amperage readout started at 0.0A and did not show any change from 0.0A for the one minute the OFF/ON switch was ON at the the stat :

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@jssailem I checked all of the initial checks such as enough fuel, no rags in the heating air intake, no rags in the combustion air intake etc, etc, etc. Nothing obvious to the eye.

@marcham
a) At this time I can't get in there. When Husqvarna has their annual chain saw sale, then we'll see who has the last laugh.
b) The heater has its own fuel line from the tank.
c) The fuel pump DOES NOT tick since it died. Otherwise a good healthy tick before. There is no leaked fuel under the burner.
d) No fan starts since the unit died.
e) Absolutely no movement in the heater.
f) All air flow tubes are clear.

g) is it possible it was switched off without allowing for the cool down cycle?
Yes, very possible. The unit would not shut down by turning the stat wheel to absolute minimum and it was getting warm in the cabin. I finally shut it down using the OFF button on the ON/OFF switch. I did not check the sound of the heater or the Link 10 ammeter to see if there was any cool down operation taking place in the heater. You can always see what is happening in the heater on the Link 10 ammeter.


@Kings Gambit The stat has always had poor control due to it being in an area of stagnant air and close to the hull which is covered with a layer of 1/8" teak veneer plywood.

It blows plenty of hot air, but it does not regulate cabin temperature as it once did. I do it manually by switching the unit on and off, etc., as needed.
In its last hoorah before mine died, the heater would not cut back via the stat so I had to shut it OFF at the OFF/ON switch on the stat. But unlike yours, it never started again with the switch in spite of the burnt offerings I placed around it.

There is a separate wire that attaches directly to the battery. If it corrodes through or falls off, the unit will not start at the thermoswitch. I've had to reattach mine a couple of times.
That's the wire I disconnected to de-energize the heater unit while doing the wire connections. It looks all new and pristine under a coating of SuperLube from several decades ago.


@Hello Below Thanks, I do have your installation manual for the D3LC and many more different D3LC installation manuals as well. Each one has another little nugget (but only one) in it so you need the entire bloody collection of manuals to get all the tips and tricks for the D3LC heater. I always thought these people were so bloody organized with their train schedules and brewing of beer. How did Espar go so, so wrong with their manuals ?

I do have an Espar 30100135 "Stat" that if it is of any use to you at all is yours for the taking.
I see your stat has a few last digits off from mine, yours ending in 35 and mine ending in 32. You've got to wonder what the difference is. This is a hidden nugget which I found in one of their manuals :


Thanks for the offer of your old stat. If it's compatible with my burner, I may jump a ferry to come over and see it. Got any beer :beer: ?


@east coaster Unfortunately, my heater is an after market installation (not by Espar) so no green light to give me a code as to what's screwed up. Sorry I can't show the quote since I have maxed out my allowance for 10 pictures.

Thanks for the address to the Espar library. I think I have what they are showing but there is little for the D3L which is my older model. I agree that the servicing looks a little challenging but that's what keeps me out of the beer parlors during the daytime. I'll try overhauling it and although it may wind up in the dust bin, that's the fun of boat maintenance in the winter. Yelling, screaming, and bashed knuckles.

Hopefully this added information may may help to bring out the gem of information I need to tell who's at fault here, the stat or the burner ? Thanks again to all contributors. Please keep the ideas coming.
 

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Jun 17, 2022
518
Hunter 380 Comox BC
WOW :) My 2 cents.... when it does come back, find a better spot for the heater. It really should be cleaned every 1-2 seasons.

The off switch with the T-Stat is ok, just don't disconnect it from the battery (breaker / main batt switch) until cool-down has completed.

On some Hunters, that swim grid lazarette cover/box can be completely removed? Not sure if the 310 has that feature or not?

No fan spinning means one of:
- wiring/tstat issue,
- no 12V power, (red light on tstat rules this out)
- failed fan (they are more expensive than a new chinese heater)
- failed motherboard (they are more expensive than a new chinese heater) or
- fault state detected by motherboard

If replacement becomes the best option, I'd keep all the expensive parts of the install:
- insulated exhaust hose
- copper fuel hose
- hoses and outlets

And just replace with one of the better quality chinese heaters (the heater blocks/core are all the same, you pay for the electronics and the fuel pump). If the inlet/outlet air port size is different, they sell adapters. Some of the new Chinese fuel pumps are very quiet once the burner is ignited. I just replaced my Espar fuel pump with a Sunster 22mL quiet pump. Plug and play.

M
 
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Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Because I had met my max number of pictures (10) in my post #10, here's a few more I wanted to get in :

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If the green light illuminates you've got diagnostics. I'm after market install so no diagnostics for me.


This is from the original purchase of the Espar heater. It was only identified as a D3LCC back in 1998.
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Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
But, but, but how can I use that to solve my problem ? Thanks anyway.

Might as well sit here by my computer all day waiting for the answer to drop out of the sky because I'm sure as hell not going back to my boat to spend the day freezing my buns off :oops: .
 
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Aug 18, 2018
161
Hunter 410 MDR
My gut feeling still says the glow plug, nothing happens, except for the lights coming on and then going off, no fan, no fuel pump, no nothing when it's dead. Mine had a chip on the porcelain. No notice of a problem beforehand, out of the blue it stopped.
100% I would try that 1st.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
when it does come back, find a better spot for the heater.
I will look at extending the support arms for the heater to bring it out to a more accesable location, away from some of the crap. Not like there's a lot of traffic down there.

On some Hunters, that swim grid lazarette cover/box can be completely removed? Not sure if the 310 has that feature or not?
Right now it's part of the FG body of the boat. Wait until I get the damned chain saw and maybe things will change :cuss:.

And just replace with one of the better quality chinese heaters (the heater blocks/core are all the same, you pay for the electronics and the fuel pump).
Doesn't sound very patriotic but if I do have to replace, it definitely will NOT be an Espar and cost is not the major controller here. I have never seen such a screw up with technical paperwork in my life. BTW, I forgot to mention this in my previous scrawling :

THERE ARE ABSOLUELY NO IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS ON THE THERMOSTAT. IT CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED.

Need a drink in the worst way !
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,577
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Mine had a chip on the porcelain. No notice of a problem beforehand, out of the blue it stopped.
100% I would try that 1st.
How do you mean "a chip on the porcelain ?" Thanks.

I will definitely be testing the glow plug when and if I get the burner unit out.

Then I have to set up a bench arrangement so I can fire up the unit with a fuel supply, stat, 12V supply and all of the other etcetras required to get this beast going. I will not go down there again until I have something in my hands which absolutely positively works.

Thanks again for the help.
 
Aug 18, 2018
161
Hunter 410 MDR
The glow plug tip (mine did) had a ceramic or porcelain base (inside chamber) It had a good little chip missing on it when I pulled it.
I would have not found it except luckily it threw the code showing glow plug error.
I needed the special socket with a slit in it also, comes in kit form, like $20 or so.
I concluded nothing works if the glow plug isn't working, lights turn on but it shuts down if that circuit isn't completed.
It works like a charm now, even though im in Mazatlan MX, currently (safe/normal here) and haven't really needed it. Maybe just 15, 20 minute runs early morning is all when it gets down to the low 60's.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,453
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
they never tell you what the difference is between stats.
The charts in the link show a difference between the two Stats.

ELECTRONIC THERMOSTAT MK2 WIRING DIAGRAM
Please find attached wiring diagram numbers SK 0394 and SK 0393 for the MK2 (301) type
electronic thermostats: Part numbers
  • 301 00 132 12 volts
  • 301 00 133 24 volts

Thermostat Installation
Instructions
P/N 30100154 (12v) This would be the Espar branded stat mentioned by Len with the lights. It is like you 30100186 model (does not have the green light
P/N 30100153 (24v)

For Heaters
D1LC compact
D3LC compact