Fox islander: That "statistic" didn't come from the DoJ. That "statistic" resulted from a thoroughly discredited study by admitted anti-gun Doctor Arthur Kellerman. One of many such studies by him, all of which have been discredited.
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Defending Our Passengers + Vessels
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Indeed. I love my country, but it isn't perfect, it doesn't have everything and, of the things it does have, not everything is the best in the world.
In my opinion.
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Out of the mouth of babes....
When my son was about six, we took him and his sister on a trip to Guatemala. We didn't stay in the high end hotels or travel on the first class busses. About a year or more later, my son was talking about that trip and he commented: "Well, it's like this. In Guatemala they do things very different from how we do things here. We think our way is better and they must think their way is better, so which way is better? Neither. It all depends on what you're used to."
oh thanks, that feels much more nautical now.What else ya got?
Not much left except the Mac with silencer and M-4 with trijicon reflex sight. I'm keeping them. I've sold all my old eventory over the years as a matter of fact I sold an M-16 to buy the boat I have now. All mine were legal and federally papered.
I like guns and believe I have a right to own one, but many governments don't, increasingly my own. The fact remains that it's a dangerous world, there are however, other ways to discourage/disable/kill a person besides shooting them with a gun.
I've not given this a lot of thought, but perhaps someone should; there must be hundreds of items that would not be out of place on a boat that most police would consider innocuous but could be used effectively to defend yourself in a fight.
I guess the most basic is your brain, as in common sense, but avoidance is not always possible.
There are limitations,of course. If a band of 20 men with AK-47’s storm your boat probable nothing less than seal team 6 will help, but a pair of thugs with knives or a single gun between them is a different story.
Awareness, planning, practice.
I've not given this a lot of thought, but perhaps someone should; there must be hundreds of items that would not be out of place on a boat that most police would consider innocuous but could be used effectively to defend yourself in a fight.
I guess the most basic is your brain, as in common sense, but avoidance is not always possible.
There are limitations,of course. If a band of 20 men with AK-47’s storm your boat probable nothing less than seal team 6 will help, but a pair of thugs with knives or a single gun between them is a different story.
Awareness, planning, practice.
was thinking more on the lines of sailboats....
ha ha, I was not wondering about your arsenal, though possibly you might have something that didn't scare me
ha ha, I was not wondering about your arsenal, though possibly you might have something that didn't scare me
I wish you lived in my area, LuzSD. I'd gladly give you an introduction to firearms and take you shooting. Shooting, as a sport or for self defense, isn't for everybody, but it's been my experience that people who literally fear firearms, fear them because they've had absolutely no exposure to them--other than what they've seen on TV and in movies.ha ha, I was not wondering about your arsenal, though possibly you might have something that didn't scare me
Trust me: Forming an opinion on firearms from what one sees in most movies, newspapers, magazines and on TV is like forming an opinion on controlled substances from watching "Reefer Madness."
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i have spent a great deal of time on the water here in texas. rivers and lakes. i have no problem whatsoever with carrying a gun. if i am out of my local area and comfort zone or i am overnighting or camping a gun is on the supply list. as for international...there are so many legal tangles. i would fear a hostile gov. over a criminal as the most likely foe to be face with. that could really cost you some trouble.
It's not really fair to compare Texas with the rest of the country, much less the world. You can take that any way you like, heh, heh.
I just come for the sailing
Trust me: Forming an opinion on firearms from what one sees in most movies, newspapers, magazines and on TV is like forming an opinion on controlled substances from watching "Reefer Madness."
SEMIJim, I wonder where you got the idea that I only would be able to form an opinion about guns based on movies, newspapers magazine and TV? My biggest frustration with some of these treads is how we each seem to jump to conclusions about other's viewpoints based on our own biases.
I do see the need for hunting and I respect the hunter who eats what he shoots much more that the one who says hunting is wrong but eats meat from the butcher shop. That said, I have no idea how anyone could kill an animal and not have pain from ending a life. I don't expect to change one who enjoys that, but don't put words in my mouth.
This site is a sailing site and I come here to learn about sailing and all things connected to sailing. This thread was interesting to me because it delved into personal philosophy and how important one's own outlook can influence how we see and react to the world beyond our own borders. I really had limited interest in how to actually defend one’s self if you knowingly put yourself and loved ones in harm’s way. Seems fairly simple to me... there are so many beautiful waters to cruise without worry about piracy, but it is essential to prepare for the unexpected and educate ourselves about the areas we visit.
I was speaking with my tongue planted in my cheek about the fear of Gary_H’s avatar of the machine gun. He humorously responded…… I would much rather see what kind of boat Gary sails than look at his gun. I actually do have an opinion about self defense and shooting as a sport but it is not interesting or appropriate in this discussion. I don’t need to be given a proper introduction into firearms any more than you'd likely appreciate an intro into the value of being a vegatarian. But thanks for thinking of me
A comment from you that might reasonably lead one to believe you had a fear of firearms, and experience.
That's human nature. All humans filter reality thru a lens formed from their biases. Those biases, in turn, are often gained from experience. And so it is with my impression, quite reasonably based on your comments, IMO, that you fear firearms. It has been my experience that the vast majority of people who fear firearms, fear firearms because they've had no exposure to them.
Implicit in that comment, by its omission, is that you don't see the need for individuals to employ firearms in defense of themselves, their loved ones and others.
I've made no comment regarding hunting, or ones attitudes regarding the taking of life, one way or the other, so I fail to see where you're coming from here.
Btw: I value life so highly that I actually go to the trouble to try to catch bugs that don't belong in the house and release them outdoors, where they belong. (There are exceptions. Spiders on the boat, for example. They get flicked. If they can swim: They live. If they can't, well... And earwigs found anywhere: Their lives are forfeit.)
Ending-up in harms way isn't always so neatly predictable, either in sailing, or in life in general. For example: Recently, on a couple different sailing web boards, I've related as to how, season-before-last, unpredicted and unpredictably, a gale came out of the clear blue sky and, had we not had the VHF on channel 16 to get the warning in time, we might've been in serious trouble. Likewise: Year before last we found that an area through which we'd been traveling to get to and from our boat, which, from all outward appearances, did not appear to be a "bad" neighbourhood, had roving gangs of youth accosting and severely beating people. (I didn't used to commonly carry a handgun for self-defense, tho I had the legal right to do so. I do now.)
I apologize. That was not obvious to me.
Shooting as a sport (by this I mean targets, not animals): I agree. But self-defense would be appropriate to the topic, I should think, being as the topic is "Defending Our Passengers + Vessels"
See, now, there you go with that "bias" thing :naughty:I don’t need to be given a proper introduction into firearms any more than you'd likely appreciate an intro into the value of being a vegatarian. But thanks for thinking of me
I do have an appreciation for the subject of vegetarianism, its pros and its cons. You see: The Admiral has degrees in Homeopathy and Naturalpathy. (She has her own shotgun, too.)Jim
Sorry to have gotten in over my head and heart on this one..I do think we all have a right to bear arms to defend ourselves and property, I don't enjoy guns myself and we don't have one. I also should not have leaped to the shooting= animal hunting.
Agree, this thread has actually been dead now for a while, sorry for my part in it, I should have stayed an observer.
Agree, this thread has actually been dead now for a while, sorry for my part in it, I should have stayed an observer.
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