Covid-19 Vaccination

[TimFromLI]

I didn't want to be the first to say it but
It has no track record yet.

In the US alone, about 10 million people have been vaccinated and nobody has died. Out of the first 10 million people to get covid over 200,00 died. There's a couple of track records for you.

 

[jssailem]

In the US alone, about 10 million people have been vaccinated and nobody has died.

Tim,
Bloomberg reports that there have been deaths associated with vaccination treatments in some countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Davidasailor26]

Tim,
Bloomberg reports that there have been deaths associated with vaccination treatments in some countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

“Associated with vaccination treatments” seems a stretch. For example, from the article - “ a review by the World Health Organization found no evidence of a connection to the vaccine.” And “the deaths were probably due to the patients’ underlying diseases including carcinomas, kidney deficiencies and Alzheimer’s, not the inoculation.”

 

[jon hansen]

brother's a doc, he has had his shots, non issue. son-in-law's a doc, has had his shots, non issue. wife, 45 yrs heart nurse, no longer on the floor. waiting with me, prolly in a couple of weeks.
2 couples, very close friends, are sick right now. at home, feeling cruddy, no need for hospital, just feeling bad and tired and getting better now/85% better over last 12 days. both couples old with issues, doing better than i would have guessed.

i have never had any reaction to any shot of any kind in my life. don't figure i'll start now.
need to get my shingles shot update too.

i will gladly get my shot as soon as it's my turn. a week, maybe two

it's nice to have some docs around that you love, to ask questions. thinking the wife will put up with me for a couple more years as well.
she has already saved me from certain death a couple of times when she could have just said 'by'. heimlich twice, oh she's good. and a small gal at that. girl's got skills
aortic aneurysm , she got me to the right place just in the nick of time. her heart buddies patched me up just fine, been eight years now on barrowed time. i should have died that day, the odds were very long. they made me a special patch that no one else has ever had. i'm in journals, pictures and everything, well my innards are anyway.

3 months in the hospital, 3 months in bed at home with a day nurse. first day they let me drive i drove 500 miles to sturge and my kids showed up and took me sailing.
i'm taking my shots, i'm going sailing for another season, cause i can.

 

[Benny17441]

The Country will not recover economically and the deaths from Covid19 will not stop until we reach Herd Immunity. Herd Immunity is attained by 85% of the population getting anti-bodies through infection and recovery or vaccination. The Government will not care at this time if anyone decides not to take the vaccine as the supply is not available for even those that want to take it. It might not be until a year from now that the number of those that refuse to take the vaccine could become significant or maybe not.

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

The Country will not recover economically....

As of mid-January here, the unemployment rate here was 4.6%. Not great but certainly well toward recovery. An indicator of progress even while the virus and it’s mutations continue to spread

 

[DougM]

We got our first shots this past Thursday (Moderna) Second shot will be2/25.
(We had signed up through the health department and have not gotten a reply yet) .
Late on Tuesday evening we both got emails through the hospital system in Richmond that appointments were available. We both signed up simultaneously and got appointments 10 minutes apart.
As we drove into the parking lot of the vaccination site, we were directed to a numbered parking space. A nurse came to the car, verified our names and appointment times, and were told to wait until someone came to get us. That happened almost exactly at our first scheduled time. We were directed to a large tent, given a 1 page questionnaire to sign, handed it in, were directed to an injection station, got the shot, given a card with the vaccine type and next appointment, and directed to a sit down area to wait 15 minutes to see if there were any adverse effects. We were finished and on the road in less than a half hour.
There were really no lines of cars nor in the vaccination area.
I think the key to this whole process was due to our primary care physician being affiliated with a hospital system that has an on line charting system that has our records and our insurance information already. They notified us, we had not previously requested an appointment.
I should note that I am 75 and have some minor underlying conditions, and Diane is 71 and a retired nurse who has signed up to volunteer with the local health department in Charlottesville.
Compliments should go out to the organizers for anticipating the potential choke points of parking, check in and inoculation, then staffing accordingly. It certainly didn’t look like any of the media pictures of the mess in Florida or California with people lined up for hours just to get appointments.

 

[TimFromLI]

Tim,
Bloomberg reports that there have been deaths associated with vaccination treatments in some countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

The article says the deaths were :
1. "terminally ill patients anticipated to have only weeks or months to live"

2. "Out of 800,000 vaccinations ...Seven deaths .....deaths were probably due to the patients’ underlying diseases including carcinomas, kidney deficiencies and Alzheimer’s, not the inoculation"

And it goes on to talk about allergic reactions. Based on those statistics that would be about 25 reactions out of 10 million. Reactions not deaths. Meanwhile about 1 in 4 people over the age of 85 who get covid die. According to the CDC 27.9 million have gotten the vaccine, tell me how many have died. Less than 100 would have had a reaction. 25.6 million have gotten covid, 431,619 have died.

Your article supports the vaccine. Where is the smoking gun? Let's not argue facts.

 

[dlochner]

Tim,
Bloomberg reports that there have been deaths associated with vaccination treatments in some countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

From the Bloomberg article:

Those who died were all in the “75 years +” bracket and they included terminally ill patients anticipated to have only weeks or months to live.

While there is a temporal relationship in these patients between death and vaccine, it would seem to be a stretch to say the vaccine caused the deaths.

Having had a recent bout with anaphylaxis I can assure anyone that it is kind of scary. The scary part is not having an Epi-pen. Once I had the epinephrine injection and Benadryl, the recovery was quick and painless. Except for the boredom of sitting in an ER bed for 4 hours. The ambulance ride was interesting, met some nice EMTs.

The side effects of the vaccine are considerably less severe and threatening than being on a ventilator for months in an ICU.

 

[smokey73]

As of mid-January here, the unemployment rate here was 4.6%. Not great but certainly well toward recovery. An indicator of progress even while the virus and it’s mutations continue to spread

@Don S/V ILLusion - you list your home port as FL. I am assuming your data reflects the situation in Florida. The state of Florida, while not perfect, has done a pretty good job of balancing closings with protecting, to the extent possible public safety considering the number of people that come to the state from other locations, including overseas. Its not like North Dakota. Not defending nor slamming Florida - just saying that other states responses with "draconian controls" have had a much larger effect on their local and state economies and recovery may be much slower and painful. Not every state has the "draw" for visitors that Florida enjoys. I'm not even saying the "draconian controls" were not justified in other states, just that the controls have closed businesses that may never re-open and the recovery will be much slower in those cases. Florida will bounce back if only because so many people visit there that closed businesses will reopen if not by the original owner, then by someone else to fill the need. Add to that when travel opens up people will be anxious to go somewhere and Florida is a prime place to go especially if you are leary of overseas travel for awhile.

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

@Don S/V ILLusion - you list your home port as FL. I am assuming your data reflects the situation in Florida. The state of Florida, while not perfect, has done a pretty good job of balancing closings with protecting, to the extent possible public safety considering the number of people that come to the state from other locations, including overseas. Its not like North Dakota. Not defending nor slamming Florida - just saying that other states responses with "draconian controls" have had a much larger effect on their local and state economies and recovery may be much slower and painful. Not every state has the "draw" for visitors that Florida enjoys. I'm not even saying the "draconian controls" were not justified in other states, just that the controls have closed businesses that may never re-open and the recovery will be much slower in those cases. Florida will bounce back if only because so many people visit there that closed businesses will reopen if not by the original owner, then by someone else to fill the need. Add to that when travel opens up people will be anxious to go somewhere and Florida is a prime place to go especially if you are leary of overseas travel for awhile.

We’re heading toward going over the cliff on thread drift but Florida, while it is a tourist destination, is not that different than N.Y., California, Nevada, etc... in that context. The biggest difference is how our state government has managed the situation which is a portent of what will likely happen in the states where more draconian measures should soon relax.
If only Green Bay was in the Super Bowl in Tampa, it would be better.

 

[jon hansen]

go packers

 

[sail sfbay]

............Compliments should go out to the organizers for anticipating the potential choke points of parking, check in and inoculation, then staffing accordingly. It certainly didn’t look like any of the media pictures of the mess in Florida or California with people lined up for hours just to get appointments.

My complimentrs on how organized Solano County in California is on scheduling the first and second vacination appointments over a short phone call to avoid waiting in long lines for hours.

 

[sail sfbay]

...............the deaths from Covid19 will not stop until we reach Herd Immunity. Herd Immunity is attained by 85% of the population getting anti-bodies through infection and recovery or vaccination.............

Agree................seems to me the CDC, county, sate and federal government should track the number of people vacinated in each Phase/Tier because that data will tell us whether the counrty has any chance to achieve herd immunity and reduce the number of people hopitablized and deaths.

 

[jssailem]

I have yet to form an opinion on the safety of a COVID vaccine. There are a group of pharmaceutical scientists who have declared that the vaccines are safe. We all know that they have always been accurate and truthful.

The statement was that no one has died having taken the vaccine. The liberal based news sources report that a few have died. It may be an extremely small number. This is just those associated with the immediate response to the vaccine.

I support all who have grabbed the opportunity to be vaccinated. If these liberal news sources are reporting this stuff are we to assume they are wrong / fake news?

Perhaps a better statement is that the vaccines appear safe for the majority of individuals.

Scientific sources keep open minds about such new ideas and continue to gather data.

New York Gov Como said put seniors in their nursing homes. Now the state Attorney General states that the death rate in the nursing homes was understated by 50%. Was it old age, underlying conditions, COVID, not getting treatment due to lockdown, or all of the above.

I continue to keep an open mind on the subject.

California health care worker's death days after COVID-19 vaccine probed

His wife told the O.C. Register: "I’m sure he would take that vaccine again, and he’d...

www.sfgate.com

Death of Florida doctor after receiving COVID-19 vaccine under investigation

Pfizer says there is no indication its COVID-19 vaccine is connected to the condition that led to the death of Miami OB-GYN Gregory Michael.

www.usatoday.com

Miami medical examiners investigate death of doctor who got coronavirus vaccine

The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner is investigating the death of a doctor weeks after he received a Covid-19 vaccine, according to Darren Caprara, director of operations at the medical examiner's office.

www.cnn.com

No Link Found Yet: Auburn Woman Warns She Saw Grandfather's Aid Die After COVID Vaccine

Despite the cause of death being investigated following a person's death hours after receiving the vaccine, there are questions from the community on the safety of the shot. An Auburn woman says she witnessed the tragedy first hand.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

 

[dlochner]

New York Gov Como said put seniors in their nursing homes. Now the state Attorney General states that the death rate in the nursing homes was understated by 50%. Was it old age, underlying conditions, COVID, not getting treatment due to lockdown, or all of the above.

The actual number of deaths did not change. It was a difference in accounting.

If a nursing home patient was diagnosed with Covid, sent to a hospital and died, the death was counted as a hospital death.

If a nursing home patient was diagnosed with Covide and remained in the nursing home and then died, it was counted as a nursing home death.

The place of death was counted, not where the patient contracted Covid.

N.Y. Severely Undercounted Virus Deaths in Nursing Homes, Report Says (Published 2021)

The state attorney general, Letitia James, said it’s likely that the Cuomo administration failed to report thousands of Covid-19 deaths of nursing home residents.

www.nytimes.com

It is also important to put the findings in context. Most of the problems were in the early months of the pandemic when NYC was overwhelmed by the virus and no one really understood the depth of the problem. At the time NY state was returning patients to nursing homes there was a shortage of hospital beds and people were dying in the halls. Was it the best decision to send symptom free but test positive patients back to the nursing homes? In retrospect, no. However, the state and nursing homes developed a plan to open Covid Units in Nursing homes.

The state was not the only actor in this. At the time the Feds were giving inconsistent advice and nursing home operators were not consistently filing accurate data, sometimes under reporting the cause of death.

Finally, the Times article quotes Rep Elise Stefanik. Rep Stetanik is a Congressional representative who is a conspiracy theorist. She has not disavowed the attack on the US Capital and continues to maintain that Trump won the election in spite of of any evidence to support her position. She did serve on an advisory board at Harvard University where she earned a las degree, however following the attack on the Capital, Harvard disassociated itself with her.

Rep. Elise Stefanik Removed From Harvard Advisory Committee Over Election Fraud Claims

A Republican Congresswoman who challenged last week's count of the Electoral College is no longer affiliated with Harvard University.

boston.cbslocal.com

 

[smokey73]

@jssailem The reports you have listed are, IMHO, a sensationalization and dubious at best at least in their "headlines" They go to qualify their statement later but the "damage" is done in discouraging people to get a vaccine. A person gets a vaccine and dies 1 1/2 hour later or two weeks later - thus we should suspect the vaccine. How many people have been vaccinated to date? How many of those were over 50 and possibly had other undiagnosed conditions? Over 23 million people have recieved at least 1 Covid vaccine (as far as I can tell as of 1/27) Many of them in a population group where things like a heart attack, stoke could hit without much warning. Case in point is the last reference cited. Here is the quote from it:

"In a post on Facebook, she said she saw her grandfather’s aid, a 56-year-old man, get the vaccine at a senior living facility on Thursday.

“Twenty minutes later he realized his legs felt tingly and he was having shortness of breath. He was wheeled out in an ambulance…1 hour later he was in ICU on a ventilator and three hours later he passed away,” she wrote."

At 56 he could have just as likely had a heart attack or stroke as it being caused by the vaccine. Trust me I know!! At 47 I had three heart attacks "out of the blue" and ended up having 5 way bypass. Had I taken a vaccine of some kind 2 hours, 2 weeks, or 2 months before the heart attack would one even suggest that the vaccine caused it? I doubt it very much. Within a population of 23 million, many of them very old or at least above 50. How many would die of some conditon in any given 1 week period of time. Probably more than 4. Just saying. When I wanted to go whitewater rafting on the Colorado after my 5 way bypass the company was not going to let me. My cardiac surgeon pointed out to them that I had been "replumbed" and that any other 50+ year old man would probably have at least or a higher probability of a heart attack than me since most won't have undergone a complete cardiac workup before taking the rafting trip. They let me go.

 

[Davidasailor26]

Within a population of 23 million, many of them very old or at least above 50. How many would die of some conditon in any given 1 week period of time. Probably more than 4.

 

[JamesG161]

Not me, never!

Why?
I think we had it, when the Mardi Gras crowd came to the Mississippi Gulf Coast Casinos, in early Feb 2020.

No fever, but a nagging congestion/cough for 10 days.

Plus this...
I have never had any type of Influenza in my life, with the exception of my High School Football coach made the entire team take a Flu shot. I was sick for 4 days, after that shot, and arm was swollen in shot area.

Also I have this from my Grand Mother, who was the only family member [ of 40], to not get the flu from the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918.

Immunoglobulin (Ig)

See this reference...
Antibody - Wikipedia

I have read a few in this link say similar things too.

Those so lucky, thank all the Mothers who pass their Antibodies down the line.
Jim and Sue...

 

[dlochner]

I think we had it, when the Mardi Gras crowd came to the Mississippi Gulf Coast Casinos, in early Feb 2020.

Have you been tested for the anti-bodies? I think the jury is still out on how long any immunity lasts after a Covid Infection.

Some viruses are repeat offenders, others like the Measels and Small Pox mind their manners and only infect once.