convert AB thermostat to ISEC Smart Energy Control

Dec 19, 2006
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Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
There is a posting here some place on info who did add one so do a search here on the topic with great info on a few who did install one for you.
 
Apr 5, 2009
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Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
I found several posts on installing an ISEC Smart Control on Isotherm units but not on an Adler Barbour Cold Machine. The link that I posted says that it works on the Danfoss DB50 compressor and my Cold Machine uses a Danfoss DB50F. I am just wondering if this controller is compatible with the on-board diagnostic control board on the compressor.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Good question Hayden. I have the same compressor on an AB system that cools a freezer that bleeds off cold to a refrigerator, wondering if ISEC control would work on a freezer. Update on your findings please.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
This piqued my interest. I lifted this from their manual..
"Compatibility and Warnings:
Where it can be installed: In all refrigeration systems, both fridges and freezers with Secop/Danfoss DB35 or DB50 compressor and Danfoss 101N0210/220/230 circuit boards with visible evaporator."
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
This piqued my interest. I lifted this from their manual..
"Compatibility and Warnings:
Where it can be installed: In all refrigeration systems, both fridges and freezers with Secop/Danfoss DB35 or DB50 compressor and Danfoss 101N0210/220/230 circuit boards with visible evaporator."
True. There are different settings for freezer vs fridge mode, but the concept is the same. FYI here is the manual.

http://www.isotherm-parts.com/PDF/manuals/Smart_Energy_Control_Manual-USA.pdf
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,075
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
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Apr 5, 2009
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Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Mine uses the "F" model also. Any clarity would be appreciated.
I got a response from Isotherm and they said I can connect to my compressor using the Danfoss control module which is the black unit behind the aluminum diagnostic module. They didn't mention whether I needed to bypass the AB control module so I will update when I hear back from them.
 

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
I got a response from Isotherm and they said I can connect to my compressor using the Danfoss control module which is the black unit behind the aluminum diagnostic module. They didn't mention whether I needed to bypass the AB control module so I will update when I hear back from them.


You disconnect the wires off the Danfoss control module (black controller above, back of and to the right of the new controller) and ....



The new controller has spade terminals on the pack of it that allow you to ...



.... install the new controller where the wires were on the Danfoss control module. Then hook up the required wiring to the isotherm controller as explained in the manual posted above.

Here is a link to the site where the photos above came from...

http://vagariesabound.blogspot.com/2016/03/spring-update-5.html

Sumner

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Apr 5, 2009
3,075
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
I reciev3d the following response from Isotherm.
"Hayden,
We are not experts on the AB diagnostic box but it does appear to be an elaborate error code communication device. An LED is built into the new Danfoss/SeCOP modules that displays the codes automatically should there ever be an issue so the AB housing would be redundant. Going straight with the ISEC mounted on the face of the black electronics module would appear to be the best course of action."
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Thanks, Hayden. Have you decided what you will do? What do you lose when eliminating the AB diagnostic box?
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,075
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
I am not sure yet. I need to do more research on the AB diagnostics. the manual is out on the boat so it will need to wait until the next trip out there.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Just checking in to see if there's an update on this. @Hayden Watson , did you ever install and use this?

Since this was last updated I got a boat with a new AB 'fridge, using a Danfoss DB50f. I've read up on it and I have a lot more knowledge about these systems now, and an opinion or two about the Isotherm unit. I'd like to hear about your experiences.

Thanks,

jv
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,075
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Sorry jviss, that is still on my to-do list. Right now I am trying to track down a very small refrigerant leak (stops cooling after a couple of days. After that I plan to install the ISEC. From everything I can find you just need to remove the AB control module and connect the ISEC to the DF module.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Sorry jviss, that is still on my to-do list. Right now I am trying to track down a very small refrigerant leak (stops cooling after a couple of days. After that I plan to install the ISEC. From everything I can find you just need to remove the AB control module and connect the ISEC to the DF module.
No worries, I have a list of projects to-do decades long.

You are correct, the AB module goes. In fact, it doesn't add much value, in fact, even the diagnostic blink codes come out of the Danfoss controller that it front-ends. I haven't found a schematic or examined one, but I infer it just adds the LED (that could also be plugged into the Danfoss box,) a three fuses and a connector for the thermostat with wires for digital thermostat power. It is also a failure point, as folks have experienced burnt PCB traces from power supply current, and other things.

Likewise, I haven't found a schematic for, or examined an ISEC, and I confess that the documentation is odd; it has the ring, at times, of cultish or occult writings! But what I infer that it does is two things:
  • provide for a different set point for the thermostat for when a charging source is detected;
  • control compressor speed based on cooling load (maybe).
The Danfoss DB35F and DB50F compressors are variable speed compressors. Danfoss makes a controller, the AEO (Adaptive Energy Optimization controller), 101N0300, that controls the compressor speed and adapts to compressor run times to optimize run times; in short, it adjusts speed for a 30 minute "on" time. They are very clear about how they do this.

ISEC, on the other hand, does not disclose any algorithm.

The Danfoss AEO replaces the stock controller. That's all you need if you want. Or, you can plug the AB diag box back into it. It's more money than the ISEC, about double, and you don't get the nice second set point and charging source detection (which I had thought of before I even heard of these, and had crudely implemented by just using a charge combiner to short my thermostat wires).

I just learned about the variable speed compressor and the AEO today. Up until now I had a circuit worked out to use two Inkbird ST-1000 temperature controllers, one for battery operation, and the second for charging source operation. My charging combiner circuit would combine the controllers' "cooling" relay outputs (you can "wire-OR" multiple thermostats). The first set for 40º F, the second for 32º F (to prevent freezing food). Now, considering compressor speed, I'm back to the drawing board. Might have to go with a microcontroller. That would tempt me to add detection of the door switches on the ice box (Yes! Tartan put switches on the doors!) and maybe some more temperature sensors, fan controllers, and so on, to the point that I never implement it. :)

Or, I could stay with my dual-Inkbird design and just buy the AEO controller. By the way, my existing controller, 101N0212, circa 2016, includes a 1-Wire communications channel. Using this you can read out info, and also, use a negative temperature coefficient resistor temp sensor and set temperature set point and compressor speed via your PC (so, the controller has a built-in thermostat). You will need a 1-Wire to USB gateway, though.

The AOE is around $250. The Inkbirds can be had for $15 or less on eBay or Amazon.

Looking forward to how yours works out, Hayden! I'll let you know what I decide and if I make any progress on mine .

Cheers,

jv
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,075
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
No worries, I have a list of projects to-do decades long.
Likewise, I haven't found a schematic for, or examined an ISEC, and I confess that the documentation is odd; it has the ring, at times, of cultish or occult writings! But what I infer that it does is two things:
  • provide for a different set point for the thermostat for when a charging source is detected;
  • control compressor speed based on cooling load (maybe).
The Danfoss DB35F and DB50F compressors are variable speed compressors. Danfoss makes a controller, the AEO (Adaptive Energy Optimization controller), 101N0300, that controls the compressor speed and adapts to compressor run times to optimize run times; in short, it adjusts speed for a 30 minute "on" time. They are very clear about how they do this...
Cheers,
jv
My understanding is that the ISEC does three things.
  1. Provide for a lower set point for the average box temperature (0.5C - 2.0C) for when a charging source (Voltage above 13v) is detected. Provide for a 50.C higher set point for the average box temperature (5.5C - 7.0C) for when a charging source (Voltage below 13v) is detected.
  2. Run compressor at max RPM with charging source.
  3. adjust the compressor speed to the minimum RPM that will maintain temp when operating without charging source.
For more info here is the manual. http://www.isotherm-parts.com/PDF/manuals/Smart_Energy_Control_Manual-USA.pdf
In addition to the thermostat, I plan to add a phase change material to the outside of the evaporator box to further increase the cold storage sort of like a cold plate.