Confusion - Hunter vs. Rhodes vs. S2

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JimGo

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Jun 30, 2011
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Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, the 26's are VERY pretty boats! I wish I had authorization to spend $5K on the boat! :)

I'm still going back-and-forth about whether to keep her in the water or not. If the right boat came along at the right price, I'd be willing to "sacrifice" and keep her at the shore.

Enjoy your last (hopefully several) weeks of "summer"!
 
Dec 19, 2006
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Hopefully you will get to check 23.5 soon with everything you seem to need,the 25 sounds like it will be costing $$$$ in the long run and sounds like the 23.5 boat for you and good luck and good hunting.
Nick
 
Sep 6, 2011
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Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, the 26's are VERY pretty boats! I wish I had authorization to spend $5K on the boat! :)

I'm still going back-and-forth about whether to keep her in the water or not. If the right boat came along at the right price, I'd be willing to "sacrifice" and keep her at the shore.

Enjoy your last (hopefully several) weeks of "summer"!
HAHA funny! We went from 95 to 59 today. :confused: I've been pondering if mother nature is dyslexic. I want the warmish weather back!! My southern bones aren't ready for winter. SC
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
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O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
I agree with much said except for considering a trailerable boat over 25 ft. A 27 - 30 footer would require a F 350 of bigger to haul; not cost effective. As a previous owner of a C 22, C 25, and an S 2 - 8.5 they are all good boats, but the S 2 is has a much better build quality, and the Grand Slam models of 6.8 can haul ass. They will sail circles around any Catalina, and I say this as a current Cat owner. My ol' S 2 8.5 could make over 8 knots when well trimmed, & had an awesome lil' cabin. But the C 22 is everywhere & cheap to buy. Buying too small a boat will just be a waste of time if U want to overnight, of which boat camping is half the fun. Trailoring at the beginning & end of the season & leaving in or near shore fully rigged will obviously make your sailing experience a lot more enjoyable, & less back breaking work!
 

Dougo

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Nov 22, 2010
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Hunter 23 Great Sacandaga Lake, NY
We're enjoying our H23 we acquired last fall. I wouldn't however want to use it as a daysailor. We rigged it this past spring in about 1.5 hours - should go quicker next time, but it's still work that (I think) would get old after a while. Having it on the water for the season is surely a plus!
 

JimGo

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Jun 30, 2011
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! Well, I located, but haven't officially bought, a trailer for the S2, and I just E-mailed the seller with an offer. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed!
 

JimGo

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Jun 30, 2011
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LOL...something like that! The trailer owner knows the situation with the boat, and knows that my offer is contingent on me buying the boat. He is OK with this, because his boat is still on the trailer (purchased to get his boat out of the water with Irene approaching). He normally keeps his boat in the water year-round, and doesn't want to keep the trailer, but is glad to have a few days cushion to move his boat off the trailer. So, now I am VERY ANXIOUSLY awaiting the S2 owner's reply, then there will be a mad dash to pull this all off!
 
Sep 6, 2011
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Let us know how it goes! I've seen a cart before a horse but never a trailer before a boat. ;) Good luck and let us know how it all works out!
 
Mar 2, 2011
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Compac 14 Charleston, SC
LOL...something like that! The trailer owner knows the situation with the boat, and knows that my offer is contingent on me buying the boat. He is OK with this, because his boat is still on the trailer (purchased to get his boat out of the water with Irene approaching). He normally keeps his boat in the water year-round, and doesn't want to keep the trailer, but is glad to have a few days cushion to move his boat off the trailer. So, now I am VERY ANXIOUSLY awaiting the S2 owner's reply, then there will be a mad dash to pull this all off!
So you actually found a trailer already set up for the S2? That is either very good luck or darn good searching. Good luck!
 

Doug L

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Sep 9, 2006
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So, no further posts on this? Jimgo, you need to decide what you are going to do. That S2 could be a sweet boat, but if you are planing on keeping it on the trailer, and launching, and retreiving it every time you use it, it will become a pain in the butt very quickly. The other side of the coin, is that any boat that is easy to get on and off the trailer will not be suitable to sail on the ocean. I have been sailing trailer boats for a dozen years or longer. I have owned a Venture 222, then a MacGregor 25, next a Hunter 26 waqter ballast, and now my South Coast 22 project boat. Of these, the Venture was easy to get on and off the trailer, but cramped inside. The MacGregor 25 was roomier, but significantly harder to rig. In the end, I kept it in a slip. I loved the Hunter26, A very comfortable boat, and easy to sail, but I kept that one in a slip also, it took about an hour to launch and rig, and about another hour to retireve and prepare for the road. Mu current South Coast 22 is very similar to the Venture 222 that I started out with, It sets low on the trailer to launch and retrieve easily, light weight for towing, lightweight mast can be raised without a gin pole. In a pinch it could sleep 4, as could the Venture 222. If you really want an easy to rig, trailer boat, stay away from the S2, and certainly stay away from that wreck of a 25 you were looking at. If you are willing to pay for a slip, the S2 could be great. If you really want to trailer, look at the older swing keel boats from the 70's and 80's. But stay off the ocean with them, or at least keep a close eye on the weather. Unfortunately, all boats are a compromise. Decide what is important to you, and your family. You are not in this alone. Many sailors refer to their wife as the Admiral. There is a reason for this! Good luck with whatever boat you decide to buy. Doug L
 
Sep 25, 2008
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We started with a Montego 19', moved in three years to an wing keel 86 Hunter 23', sailed that for 20 years and moved to an S2 7.9 Grand Slam. We trailer sailed the 19 mostly, could rig/unrig in 15 or 20 mins wife and I. Set up time for the 23 was generally 3 hrs with attention to tuning the rig, tensioning stays etc. Set up time on the 26 ft S2 is even longer, greater care on tuning for performance, more moving parts with vang etc. The boom on the 26 is easily the size of the mast on the 19...sizes increase geometrically with length, along with complexity.
Stay small if you really want to vary your sailing venue. We sail in your area at Lake Wallempaupack, have done Nockamixon in the 19 and the Delaware was where we bought the 26. Nockamixon offers both slips and dry sailing parking; just north of the Tacony Palmyra bridge on the Jersey side is the Riverton YC, offer moorings for $600, and a 1 shot initiation fee of $500 last I heard, requires members to do 2 work days for club maintenance.
If I were you, I would not plan to sail the shore until I moved to a bigger boat than 23...good for lakes, not ocean/inlets get hairy. Riverton YC might be a real good fit for you, lots of wed nite racing too, Nockamixon would be nice and calm while the kids are smiall, but will get boring.
 
Aug 9, 2005
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Hunter 260 Sarasota,FL
Interesting to follow, and no news in over 10days. My money says one of 3 things has happened:

(1)He pulled the trigger and he's now way over whelmed in new/old boat decisions and the OMG cost of "sailing" parts.

(2)His wife kicked him out after losing his job because he couldn't think of anything except boats.

(3) The whole trailer/boat deal fell apart and he just can't understand how it went wrong when it was actually fate saving his butt.

At least that's my personal trifecta of "been there" moments, welcome to sailing;)

My .02 says the $1900 H23 in Philly w/trailer that Unix posted would've made the most sense but since when does rational thought prevail when it comes to boats?
 
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Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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JimGo, did you get the boat, the trailer, boat and trailer.
Or none of the above?
Irwin 25?
Confusion- Hunter vs Rhodes vs S2 vs Irwin.
 
Sep 6, 2011
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BadMoon said:
JimGo, did you get the boat, the trailer, boat and trailer.
Or none of the above?
Irwin 25?
Confusion- Hunter vs Rhodes vs S2 vs Irwin.
As of the other day none of the above...SC
 

JimGo

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Jun 30, 2011
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Hey guys! Thanks for keeping the thread alive. Somehow, I managed to not subscribe to the thread and missed all these replies! So, what's been happening...

I really liked the S2 a lot, but the owner and I couldn't reach an agreement on price (especially since I'd have to get a trailer), so I moved on. The S2 was a great boat for its age, and I'm sure I'd have had a lot of fun with her. She was a little short in headroom, but otherwise would have been a good choice. Anyway, when that fell through, I moved on to other boats (Soling, I think maybe your #3 was the right answer!). Three weekends or so ago I took a ride out to Long Island because some guy had a Clipper Marine 26 that he was selling, and someone else was giving away an Irwin 25. I figured I'd check them out. I wasn't fond of the CM. The cabin was going to need a lot of work before I could have my boys in there, and the rest of the boat was just in fair shape. No soft spots that I found, and not major fiberglass problems that I could see, but still, just didn't get a good vibe.

I followed up on the Irwin expecting a real junker. To my utter amazement, the boat was actually one of the nicer I've seen. Hull was DRY (and this was after heavy rains, and the boat was in water, no power hooked up), cabin was in good shape, no soft spots seen in the hull, centerboard/keel raised and lowered smoothly without a lot of rattle, and over all she felt much more solid than most of the others I've seen. The problems with her were: mainsail was torn, she needed an engine, and she didn't come with a trailer. So, I spent the better part of the past two weeks trying to find at least an engine and a trailer so I could get her home. Sailing/motoring her home was't really an option, because I'm inexperienced, it would be a 3 day adventure, and I don't know enough about the boat to make that trip, so trailering was really the only option. The boat is listed at 5500 lbs, so I was looking for trailers that could handle at least 6000 lbs, and that made things difficult. I actually found one this past weekend out on Long Island, about 20 minutes from the boat, and was all set to head out there this weekend. Then the Irwin owner E-mailed me and said he had someone else was interested in the boat. I told him that realistically, the logistics of getting the boat from LI to the Delaware River or Ocean City, NJ were proving to be difficult, and that if he the other guy wanted the boat, I had no problems with him giving the boat to the other guy. It was a tough decision, but ultimately (again, going with the "fate saving my butt" comment above) probably the right one. So, I'm on the hunt again.

The more my wife and I discussed the Irwin, the more we realized that one of the two extremes was probably best - either a little 12-16' that we could keep at Peace Valley (local lake) and then pack up and take with us when we felt like sailing elsewhere, or a 24-26 that is "trailerable", but would be spending most of its time in or immediately next to the water so we weren't rigging/derigging her all the time. I've had a hard time finding the smaller boats, or at least at a price I can rationalize, so I'm tending to focus more on the mid-size boats. This Saturday, I'll be visiting an early 70's Ericson 25 swing keel, a 1983 or 84 Catalina 25, and a 24' Seafarer. Of the three, only the Seafarer comes with a trailer.

If these wind up not meeting our needs, I'll probably keep looking for another week or two, and then hold off until Spring. Maybe try to save a few bucks over the winter, too, so I'll have more to spend. Of course, owners may not be as willing to part with their boats at "discount" prices in the spring, but in the end, that seems to make the most sense.
 
Aug 9, 2005
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Hunter 260 Sarasota,FL
Jimgo, If it's any help I thought I'd carefully researched our 1st monohull purchase and after 6mths realized it was just not working out. Fate stepped in and after a slightly painful lesson in patience we now have the right boat for our location and regular time spent on the water. I think back at some of the close ones and now cringe at what I might have bought on a whim.

A well seasoned sailor told me early on that I should buy what I'll actually use the most and then save a few bucks for the day when I might charter the bigger boat I'd lusted after. Expenses for "bigger" truly grow exponentially so don't mistake happiness for size.

We also sailed 16' Hobie cats for decades and that was a really portable boat that produced tons of fun while I inexpensively cut my teeth in the sailing craze. I always re-sold to gain back my org cost so it was truly the least expensive sailing fun we've had.

Take your time and save some dough. The right deal will come along and remember that fate might teach you a tough lesson or might take pity on you. Only you can decide which way and when to jump.

Fair winds and choose carefully. Mike
 
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