I thought it was Arthur Dent "said" it
The character was Ford Prefect.I thought it was Arthur Dent "said" it
I have never seen or read any of Douglas Adams' works. I can tall that I am going to have to get a copy of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Do you recommend the book, radio drama or movie?
Jackdaw, while I wholeheartedly agree that a 10kt apparent jibe is far preferable to a 25kt apparent tack, I'm going to have to call you out and say BS on reaching 10kts of boat speed in 20kts of breeze on a 36.7. I regularly race on a 36.7, and have never once seen the boat reach 10kts (and it's not like we don't race her hard and often, we took 4th in the NA's this past fall, and pulled it off with a 5 yr old dacron main :dance
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Sorry, you missed my point, maybe it was not super clear.Jackdaw, while I wholeheartedly agree that a 10kt apparent jibe is far preferable to a 25kt apparent tack, I'm going to have to call you out and say BS on reaching 10kts of boat speed in 20kts of breeze on a 36.7. I regularly race on a 36.7, and have never once seen the boat reach 10kts (and it's not like we don't race her hard and often, we took 4th in the NA's this past fall, and pulled it off with a 5 yr old dacron main :dance
the 36.7 is a good boat, but she's a one design club cruiser/racer, 10kts upwind just doesn't happen in that boat, ever.
Was only about 'downwind' sailing. I was talking about the difference between jibing vs doing a chicken jibe. With a jibe you do so in 10 knots apparent. A chicken jibe is really a TACK, when you you turn upwind to do the CK, your apparent goes from subtractive (true - boatspeed) to additive (True + boatspeed).
Jackdaw, while I wholeheartedly agree that a 10kt apparent jibe is far preferable to a 25kt apparent tack, I'm going to have to call you out and say BS on reaching 10kts of boat speed in 20kts of breeze on a 36.7. I regularly race on a 36.7, and have never once seen the boat reach 10kts (and it's not like we don't race her hard and often, we took 4th in the NA's this past fall, and pulled it off with a 5 yr old dacron main :dance
the 36.7 is a good boat, but she's a one design club cruiser/racer, 10kts upwind just doesn't happen in that boat, ever.
since the discussion was about performing a chicken jibe, and as we all agree it is really a tack and bear off, the procedure is therefore necessarily an upwind maneuver. Thus my issue, since you said you would be performing the maneuver at 10kts, that means 10kts upwind and tacking...
If you are referring to 20kts true, and you're doing 10kts downwind under spinnaker then either my hat is off to you for pulling that miracle off as you would either be DDW seeing an apparent of 10kts, in which case I A) want to know who makes your chute and to B) have it measured for class rules before I ever race against you. Or you are not actually going DDW in 20kts of true wind and are in fact reaching up pretty far under the chute to achieve the highest possibly boat speed with no real regard to VMG to the mark, in which case I don't care what chute you have, welcome the chance to race against you, and would like to make a bar tab wager on the race before heading out
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I've been sailing my whole life, or at least the last 50 years of it, and I have never heard of a "chicken jibe". Please define your terms.
A chicken gybe does the same thing as a gybe, but without the boom violently swinging, because you took the long way around the gybe.
That's not a gybe (jibe), that's a tack. Never heard it called that. Thanks.A chicken gybe does the same thing as a gybe, but without the boom violently swinging, because you took the long way around the gybe.
i.e.- You turn your bow through the wind instead of your stern.
I hope this makes sense.
One needs to read this thread from the beginning... at least the original post... otherwise it makes one look foolish.
Scott, I don't personally know Chuck (He's been pointed out to me before from across the YC, but we've never actually met), though many of my fellow crewmates do know him, I'm told he has a reputation for "doing things his own way", aka he takes a "non-traditional" approach to tactics and procedures, and I've heard he doesn't like to be told that he may be wrong... does that sound like the same guy to you?
(my understanding is that every other boat competing actually purchased brand new laminate / composite sails in time for the event)
That description could apply to just about anybody graduating from my high school in those days! ... Me included
Sounds like it's probably the same guy, I recall hearing he has some connection to Chicago, though I'm not sure where he keeps his 36.7 . He did use a charter for the NA's last year, so one would assume his boat isn't nearby.That description could apply to just about anybody graduating from my high school in those days! ... Me included
But, no, I never knew him well and that was more than 40 years ago. If it seemed like he could be 60, I'd not be surprised if it is the same guy. I looked on Classmates and found a profile that indicated he lives in Glenview and he describes himself as "sailor".
I also have a cousin whom I haven't spoken with in years. He lives in the Chicago area and my Aunt told me recently that he has a "bene-something ... benny-tow?" sailboat that he keeps downtown. She said it's "too big". She said my sailboat is "much better". My uncle then got on the phone and said basically the same thing. I had to laugh ... they bought a Newport 30 in the late 60's, which was my introduction to sailing on Lake Michigan. I always loved going out on their boat when I was young. They kept that boat forever, only selling it recently, I guess, as they are now in their 80's. They go out occasionally with John, but she grumbled "It's too big, but I don't have the heart to tell him". I've got to find out what he has ... I'm betting it's a beautiful boat!
