Blue Water Capable Sailboat

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Sep 24, 1999
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Hunter H46LE Sausalito
perspectives and desires indeed

A friend of mine, Phil MacFarlane, is sailing the LongPac next weekend. Phil sailed the singlehanded TransPac several times in an Erikson 35-2 (tall mast version), winning the race on corrected time in 2004 when he beat a Hunter 54, a J-120 and an Open 60, among others. The following year, Phil crewed the Baja HaHa for a mutual friend in a Hans Christian. When Phil returned he swore that he'd never ever set foot in a Hans Christian again because of the nasty way they roll when the swell is abeam. I've crewed on Phil's Erikson a number of times, and given the choice between taking it or my Hunter offshore I'd opt for my own boat any day in any sort of weather. My boat is CE category A certified, the open cockpit drains instantly without needing scuppers, and I've got 9,600 pounds of ballast to keep the stick pointed in the right direction. I've made a few modifications to ready the boat for passage making, the most notable being the installation of an emergency rudder. Phil has convinced me that I really ought to install an AIS system as well, which I'll get around to after I've installed the new Antal spinnaker primaries I bought at the boat show months ago and are still sitting in an unopened box. There's always something else, bluewaterwise. My boat doesn't have some of the features that others consider necessary for offshore passages, such as seaberths close to the hull's pivot point or a tiny cockpit that makes you feel more secure during the dog watch. I can't help noticing that during bluewater cruises, people from my yacht club with those sorts of boats tend to congregate in my cockpit for happy hour once we've reached whatever anchorage we've voyaged too. Also can't help notice that I've usually dropped my hook hours before they arrive. What do you really need? Some guys will tell you that they'd never go offshore on a boat that doesn't have a mast pulpit. I guess I'd understand that if my halyard winches were bolted to the mast, but mine are tucked away behind the dodger, and if I want I can work them without leaving the companionway. The problem with this whole bluewater mystique is that much of it is rooted in old technology and even older thinking. What almost no one wants to admit is that bigger boats tend to be more capable of passage making than smaller boats. My boat carries 200 gal of water, 100 gal of fuel, and 300' of chain without settling appreciably on the waterline. I've got plenty of room for spare parts, and can store heavy items such as a 6' high emergency rudder without crowding the interior. Best of all, my crew doesn't have to hot berth, which makes for a much more pleasant passage. The bottom line, despite the howls of protest from those who don't want to hear it, is that what makes a boat bluewater capable is its captain, not its brand name.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The idea that there can be a perfect boat for

all uses is absurd and presumes that all people have the same level of skills and the same financial strength. I could not afford to purchase let alone maintain a 46 foot boat. I don't want a crew of people on my boat to feed and house and keep peaceful. I am by most discriptions a recluse and one companion is all I can deal with for any length of time. I choose my boat to fill my expected needs and that included the posibility of crossing a piece of the ocean once in a while. When I am sailing I am at peace with my self and have no need to hurry. When I am at anchor I am at peace with my self and am in no hurry to get under way.
 
Jun 7, 2007
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Pearson- 323- Mobile,Al
LIAM YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!

We drove from Birmingham to Las Vegas and death valley. We took my lttle toyota tacoma 4X4. It saved our but. Going up Pikes peak there was snow above 12000'. When we came out of the Grand canyon I took a right that looked OK on the map but we ended up going through cow pastures and some rough sections that required the 4X4. My wife wouldn't get out and open a gate because of the cows. There were a couple of rattlesnakes ying on the road. Coming back through Big Bend National park the 4 wheel drive was essential especially going up near the Chisos Mountains. If we had taken the car we'd missed a lot!!!! Seriously you can have fun sailing anything from a windsurfer to a mega yacht. Yesterday sailing on Wheeler lake we got enough wind that we were the only boat out. A Mac came in seeming to have trouble with the gusts. But most boats could have handeled the conditions. But down on Mobile bay we were out when your average samller boat would have suffered. Out in the gulf of mexico it has been rougher. I guess many production boats can survive but cruising should not be about survival it should be about enjoyment. Even in a well made bluewater boat there are days that are rough. But a rough day for a good blue water boat is probably survival conditions for lightly made production boats. My Toyota Matrix might have survived where we took the 4X4 but the truck did it without any problems and no damage. We never wondered if we would get back to pavement or have to walk. The Matrix would have probably lost the oil pan on some of the big rocks that didn't even slow the truck much. Yes you can use a wrench as a hammer. But it doesn't make a very good hammer.
 
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Rich

need blue water capable sailors

Without wanting to seem facetious, the old saying that "the boat is always sturdier than the crew" is a useful perspective. There are people out there sailing around the world in Catalina 25's, so while choosing good equipment is important, working on the inner skills may be the crucial component...
 
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Joe

Planning

Planning. Money. Knowledge. Provisioning. Maturity. Good Crew. Practice. Good luck. Good weather. Good attitude. Proper ambition. Oh. . . and did I say planning?
 
Dec 24, 2003
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Hummmm.....

As usual, once again, John's comment pretty much says it all. As for all the rest of you who want to continue arguing about this... give it a brake. To sum up the answer in 20 words or less.... "What makes a sailboat "blue water" capable?" Ans... Any boat that's able to stay afloat in "blue water" is "blue water" capable.... How long it stays afloat; well, that depends, in large part, on the captain.
 
Jun 7, 2007
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Pearson- 323- Mobile,Al
Restate Question

What characteristics should a boat have such that a reasonable sailer would consider it suitable for use in blue water. Obviously it should float. A few sheets of 4X8 styrefoam will float. It's kinda like going to a Doctor and asking "is smoking cigarettes going to kill me???" Most doctors will probably say yes or at least say that smoking is bad for your health. But I have absolutely no doubt that if you asked enough doctors you could find some that would say "go ahead and smoke it's not so bad as some claim." In this case someone isn't really asking for information, They are looking for someone to confirm their established position. If you own a Macgregor 25 and ask enough people some will say it's suitable for sailing blue water. But ask someone who has been out there and experienced bad weather and you'll probably get another answer.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Moonsailor, The answer to the question

"will smoking cigarettes kill?" Is yes but not reliably. The same answer can be applied to the question is XYZ a blue water boat? All boats can take you out there but not many can be depended on to bring you back.
 
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