Who told you that? I'd be interested in hearing one PRO to that idea.Leaving the CCZ up = bad? I am being told if it has the UV cover it's better to leave it up than to stuff it in a bag. Take it down over the winter and coil it up in as large coils as possible. Perhaps there are pros and cons to each.
Steve: The current thinking is to fit the boats with a 'reacher' / 'screacher' / "code zero minus'/I'm trying to decide if I should order a spinnaker along with the code 0 for my Beneteau 45 or if the spinnaker would pretty much be redundant. Has anyone sailed at 45 downwind with the code 0 and / or a spinnaker?
Bob,Steve: The current thinking is to fit the boats with a 'reacher' / 'screacher' / "code zero minus'/
This is effectively a large free flying full genoa that sheets to your spinnaker blocks. It is a light air genoa up to about 10-12 true, adding a big does of fun to upwind lightair work and then anytime you are reaching or heavier are running.
Once you are into the upper teens you can sail as low as 145d apparent and be smoking fast with it up. It's weak point is say between 5-15c at low angles..(can be helped with a wisker pole).
We do these all the time..made from a light laminate or radial dacron 5.6oz in your case AND with a cover. As the whole idea is to make the sailing simple, you can leave it up most the time, unless the wind is going to go snotty or if you are going to be away from the boat for sometime. People that use them, favor the ease of handling for the loss of 'true' light air off the wind performance an asymmetric spinnaker will give you and absorb the bigger cost of the furling gear over that of a dousing sock for same reason. If you're sailing in MD...then you just have to think about the type of sailing you do to help with the idea of using one. Check with Fred or Chris at Annapolis Yacht Sales...they can make a pretty good case for these as they have used them.
Attached is a picture of a new Beneteau F21 and F25 showing off this type of sail.
Bob Pattison
Thank you Bob. Our plan is to order the Code 0 and see how it goes. We may end up ordering a spinnaker as well, but we can make that call after sailing with the Code 0 for a bit.Steve: The current thinking is to fit the boats with a 'reacher' / 'screacher' / "code zero minus'/
This is effectively a large free flying full genoa that sheets to your spinnaker blocks. It is a light air genoa up to about 10-12 true, adding a big does of fun to upwind lightair work and then anytime you are reaching or heavier are running.
Once you are into the upper teens you can sail as low as 145d apparent and be smoking fast with it up. It's weak point is say between 5-15c at low angles..(can be helped with a wisker pole).
We do these all the time..made from a light laminate or radial dacron 5.6oz in your case AND with a cover. As the whole idea is to make the sailing simple, you can leave it up most the time, unless the wind is going to go snotty or if you are going to be away from the boat for sometime. People that use them, favor the ease of handling for the loss of 'true' light air off the wind performance an asymmetric spinnaker will give you and absorb the bigger cost of the furling gear over that of a dousing sock for same reason. If you're sailing in MD...then you just have to think about the type of sailing you do to help with the idea of using one. Check with Fred or Chris at Annapolis Yacht Sales...they can make a pretty good case for these as they have used them.
Attached is a picture of a new Beneteau F21 and F25 showing off this type of sail.
Bob Pattison
Bob,
Far out, I learn something new!
Questions:
1) People REALLY leave those things up all day? Fascinating!
2) Use the standard spin halyard? Enough luff tension?
3) On the 25s the sail looks small (and a bad lead angle to the clew) was it sized for the pole?
4) I host the Beneteau First 260/25s Facebook page, can I use that image and your text (with your contact details as well?)
Clever stuff. I agree that using a sturdier cloth is better for this application, and slimming the MG helps it furl much better as well as making the luff easier to keep under control and not fluttering. It might however cause trouble (or help!) with your ratings board.Jackdaw,
Yes...the 'technology' came from Cats and maybe volvo round the world boats...early 'screachers' were light weight laminate or nylon...too light for UV covers..it didn't take long for us to figure out everyone would be better served with a real uv cover and a sail that would be strong enough to close haul with in light airs. Cruising cats love these sails and as they don't really sail super low anyway it was a natural. Then came the newer gen. Beneteau's both the OC and sense models which are quite a tick up in hull design/performance and the transition to this type of sail was pretty easy. Some of the Tartans and the blue jacket 40 have picked up on this as a built in.
The sails are not really code zeros as the mid girth is only like 55% of the foot length, compared to the 75% of a code...so we call them screachers on multihulls and reachers on monohulls.
Typically we like to see the halyard as a 2:1 at the top...the more tension on the luff the better it performs as a 'genoa'. Smaller boats maybe not needed.
25 clew height...the sheeting position is a bit further forward than the 21 relative..and as you see it in the picture the sheet is about dividing the clew angle which is what I'd expect with a reaching sail...so the compromise was getting a clew height that makes for a good sail of this sort (higher) but still sheet..so if we go bigger, the clew would get lower and with fixed sheeting point, it would be less of a good reaching sail.
Yes, you can use the image. Beneteau France is starting to equip these two boats with this system instead of the kites, as they found customers just weren't using the spinnakers...which is what we are finding on the bigger boats as well.
Bob
http://www.quantumsails.com/news/index.php/2015/12/top-8-misconceptions-about-code-0-sails/In their Chrismas email a day or two ago, Quantum Sails had an extensive writeup on the code zero. It was in my spam inbox, and when I hit delete there was no getting it back. Maybe someone else has it?