anchor roller from catalina with roller furling

[allen-deckard]

Has anyone bought an anchor roller from catalina direct that has a cdi roller furling?

I haven't put it on yet but holding it up there I don't see how it can fit there and the anchor/chain when your pulling it in doesn't it hit the roller furling when your standing like you normally would it sure does look like it would seriously rub on the roller furling spool. I seriously think this is very bad.

if anyone can tell me if it hits I really need to know the only reason I'm putting it on is to install a windlass and that wont have the angle of attack like manual hauling it up but still has a bit of an incline that I think might be trouble with the horizontal windlass.

If I go with a vertical windlass it's lower and I'm pretty sure nearly vertical pull with the deck but the vertical has some pretty big stuff below and since our anchor locker isn't all that hugh I'm thinking that that might be an issue as well.

anyway please help if you can

 

[CaptDon01]

Yes, the CD anchor roller works fine but does get in the way a bit when connecting the forestry keeper ring,(I'm old school), the task is even more of a pain in the butt with a CDIi dueler, which is just one of several reasons why I dumped my CDI furled years ago.....

Don

 

[allen-deckard]

thanks for the reply gonna move the bolt holes over another inch as well to give more room for the rode to pass by.

 

[Gene Neill]

I'm sure you saw the anchor-roller threads I polluted this place with over the last year ...

My only piece of advice is, just make absolutely certain you have an anchor you feel fits properly, without the point(s) gouging the hull, before you go through the PITA of permanently mounting that roller and bedding it with the piggy-backed bow fitting. It has been my experience that, unless you can find a solid-shank anchor of less than eight pounds (which I couldn't), that roller is unsuitable for use on any C22 prior to the Mk II.

I still have the CD roller I tried to use. I'll be happy to send it to you if you want to try using it, without risking $70 plus shipping for a new one. It's yours to keep whether it works or not.

 

[allen-deckard]

already bought it so will be giving it a try.

If this doesn't work then I'll be inventing something of my very own to make some sort of anchor roller work.

Have saw some long ones that I could mount and just have them go out the bow at like a 15deg angle off the bow. Might look a bit odd but it will work but I'd like to see if I cant finagle this thing into working first

 

[allen-deckard]

anyway I'm going to try it.
My anchor is a delta 14lb I believe
If there is no way to get it to mount then I think I'll try http://www.anchoring.com/bruce-claw-anchor-roller.html
and just mount it on the starboard side of the furler.

Put it this way one way or another I'm going to make this work.

 

[CaptDon01]

Hey Gene, if you're not going to use it, I'll buy it. Would go nice on my project boat.

Don

 

[Gene Neill]

Hey Gene, if you're not going to use it, I'll buy it. Would go nice on my project boat.

Don

Nah, I'll give it to you, man. Just PM me your address, and I can probably get it in the mail before the weekend.

 

[allen-deckard]

that's funny was putting it on yesterday and literally dropped it right over the front of the damn boat :cussing: in fairly deep water canal inhabited by a few crocks probably leave ya alone but not really interested in finding out.

Ordered a new one from Catalina direct, expedited, which ended up doubling the price since all my stanchions are dangling loose.

what can I say has not been the best of weeks for me.

 

[Leeward Rail]

allen-deckard:

My '87 has a CDI furler and a newly installed CD Roller.
I don't know 100% about anchor interference yet, since the boat has yet to hit the water this year, but I have raised the mast a few times without the anchor onboard.

As Don has said, the drum doesn't hit the roller, but it does make it difficult to install/remove the forestay's pin when raising/lowering the mast.
I bought long needle nosed pliers to help ease getting the ring through the pin.
A ball-lok quick pin MIGHT work, but I have doubts about that since the roller prevents easy side access to the get the pin in.

For your question about anchor interference, as you mention, the drum definitely would prevent using the roller like I want, which is to manually pull the rode up + back.

The rode probably shouldn't hit the furling drum if you pulled it relatively straight back along the deck like either windlass would, but when the anchor comes over the roller I can't see how the shank wouldn't hit the drum.
Maybe Gene's roller is wide and long enough to solve that ?

If I get the anchor back on the boat tomorrow as planned, I'll take some photos.

Edit: I had thought for a moment about moving the drum higher, but that would require changes to the forestay, sail etc.
Truthfully I'm currently leaning towards selling the furler and get hanks put on the sail.
I reserve judgement until a full season of sailing is complete.

Don recently put a non-CDI furler on his mk2 I believe, and he has the roller. Maybe he can shed more light on how that's working out so far.

 

[allen-deckard]

Thanks for the info.

I should have everything in today and will see what happens or if I need to get something more to make it all work.

If I get it in today I'll let ya know what happens.

I will say though that if I cant bring the anchor up at all then it's defiantly a no-go at that point I'll return the catalina roller and purchase a much wider one and maybe a solid plastic roller non-rubber then shave it down so it directs the rode to the side like Catalina's.

Like I said one way or another I'm going to make all this work just might take me a bit longer than I wanted to make it happen.

 

[allen-deckard]

:dance: Got it done. Well all the stuff that I wasn't sure would work anyway.

I ended up raising the furling cup 2 inches using a 5/8's in thick piece of bar aluminum would have preferred stainless but couldn't find any but don't think this will ever cause issues.

After the cup was raised now my 13lb delta will pull right up into the anchor roller with room to spare.

With that said I wish that the catalina direct anchor roller was 4 inches longer. In my mind a horribly thought out design. I honestly have no clue what they were thinking and would love to talk to the guy that said it was looking good.

But it works thing is I have to stop it like 2 inches short of being all the way in then put a pin in threw the anchor and the anchor roller. Not the worst thing I ever had to mess with but still why they didn't just make it 4 inches longer is beyond me.

I'd like to rant on one more thing if you don't mind and take this as a warning. IF you ever have to replace the front stem fitting with the tang because lets say to dropped it over the front deck in deep water canal while you were hot tired mad and messing with the anchor roller.

Catalina directs http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/359_17/stem-fitting-with-tang-c-22.cfm DOES NOT FIT THE BOATS THEY SAY IT DOES. The holes do not line up meaning you have to drill threw the front hull of your boat to get it to fit.....Not cool in my opinion because they are like around 3/4" off meaning they over lap the old holes making the entire thing weaker and a new potential leak spot. And before you say "why not just drill holes in the tang?" Well it take a very large hammer to get the tang in OR out of where it's at and it tends to bend it up a bit not much of anyway around it.



Anyway tomorrow I'll take a crap load of pictures and post them so that if anyone want to give it a go it'll be easier on them. All of it sounds easier than it actually is trust me but at least you'd have a feeling of where to start and maybe improve if you like.

 

[Leeward Rail]

I fully agree with your complaint/rant.

That tang would be a problem even if they got the holes like the original. Simply putting the stem deck fitting on top the the roller automatically makes the holes in the tang higher than the original holes in the hull.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how someone who did the r&d didn't quickly realize the best option is to make a larger roller with the tang and forestay fitting included in it. Simply remove the old one... Bolt on new one. The second best option is to sell a fitting without pre-drilled holes.

Eventually I plan on making my own roller and it will not only fully replace the stem fitting but will be more like a bowsprit.


Unfortunately I did realize any of this until I installed the roller and finally stepped the mast+furler last weekend. All of us are being part of an r & d team.

I'm looking forward to your progress on a windlass.

 

[allen-deckard]

sorry late on the pics.
I am gonna post links instead of pics since I don't think this applies to very many and don't want to slow down peoples internet connection.

any questions feel free to ask. And yah I know the anchor is to close to the hull on the front but it's just temp till I get things adjusted it will work fine when done.

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/picture.php?albumid=3680&pictureid=24963

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http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/picture.php?albumid=3680&pictureid=24967

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http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/picture.php?albumid=3680&pictureid=24969

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/picture.php?albumid=3680&pictureid=24970

 

[Leeward Rail]

OK. From the photos, even with the spacer on the drum it doesn't look like you could pull the chain/rode directly up and back.
Looks like it should work straight back like you want though.

Where are you planning to install the windlass ? It looks like it would need to be offset to starboard slightly, with the rode running onto the starboard side of the drum.

 

[allen-deckard]

I didn't spend a ton of time pulling it up and down but did it twice and if you stand slightly to the starboard side of the boat when pulling it up it does have enough room I wont go on a limb and say that you have tons of room but it wasn't that tricky and I didn't have to put that much thought into it.

However like you said I'll be using a windlass and yes it will have to be mounted starboard but only like 1 maybe 2 inches off center with the pull going straight out as it should.

When I have it all the way done then I'll post more pics but will be a little bit before I ask the boss for more money on a boat I said was done hehe.

 

[allen-deckard]

Ok guys for anyone that cares I finally finished this project. The only thing I'm waiting on is a ball lock to lock the anchor in place where I want in in the anchor locker. And I'm switching to an all chain rode to eliminate tangles from the rope since the anchor locker is deep but narrow.

All done I had to replace the locker lid with 1" starboard, Raised the roller furling about 2 inches, Put my roller up front, wired everything to the bow to reduce wiring, placed the switch under the anchor locker lid since if there is a tangle that's where your going to be working on it, I have a remote control for it as well that works from anywhere on the boat so I can motor into the anchor while hauling it in or be anywhere really.

What I had to buy
The anchor roller is from catalina direct
The Windlass is an RC6 from Maxwell I liked it better can take any chain bbb, g4, even proof
Lots of stainless nuts and bolts screws
Again replaced the rope with chain (replacing)
AWG 4 wire isn't cheep either
Had to buy insanely expensive glue that will stick to starboard. there are two brands that are reputable but I used Lord from the supplier wensco was recommended by the manufacturer of starboard.

Total cost? To much WAY to much went insanely over budget and use up this years play budget wife has the rolling pin in hand if I even look at any boat stuff online. Would I do it again knowing the cost? Probably not it really did run over.
Do I like it? I love it, it's awesome, came out way beyond my expectations and honestly didn't think I could do this good of job and honestly looks better in person.

Ok so pictures. I'm going to post them this time since if you open the thread you know what your looking at by now and want to see something.

Anyway told ya I was gonna find some way to make it work hehe.

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

I put the main circuit breaker up here by the v-birth the reason it's here is my two anchors are...

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

The remote control for the windlass I got
Brand name of the windlass is a maxwell

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

Showing the inside of the anchor locker I put the wired in switch in the anchor locker because...

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

Windless and how my delta anchor fits under the roller furling but not until I moved the roller...

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

Shows the entire front with the new anchor locker cover

• allen-deckard
• Oct 6, 2015

Shows the entire front with the new anchor locker cover

IMG 1582

• allen-deckard
• Sep 27, 2015

 

[Leeward Rail]

Very nice work !
Splitting the hatch section into 2 pieces is genius.
I've wondered about using all chain. I think someone said it was too much weight in the bow, but then again, these boats seem to be stern heavy anyhow. Lets us know how it sits in the water once the new chain is in the locker.

A combination of your mod, and Gene's roller would be the ultimate anchor setup.

Over budget... hehe Yup.
That old joke about buying and selling a boat being the 2 happiest days, is false IMO, but Boat=Break Out Another Thousand is completely true.

When Gene was first working on his roller, I did some searching on windlasses and that Maxwell RC6 kept coming up as the best option for a C22 mod. They sure are expensive.
In spite of the cost, I think it's a fantastic mod for anyone with mobility/age problems, and single handers.

 

[allen-deckard]

well I will say I got the windlass half the price of advertised from Maxwell but everything together was a wow factor

 

[Gene Neill]

Dude, that looks REALLY GREAT. Congratulations!

Hopefully I can get a look at it in person this December, I might have to copy it someday!