Devastation sets in. You mean it was fake film? This is going to take some SERIOUS intervention to digest this. Where’s my beer?
Adrift in movies tonight ...
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Did you not see the video I posted? That was in a channel. Maybe it wasn't exactly a "monster" wave, but 4' sand sharks aren't Jaws either and they still make me nervous if I'm in the water with them.
Kermit, the only part of Muppet Treasure Island I thought was fake was how the row boat didn't flip over with that heavy treasure chest in it while Long John made his escape. You could tell it wasn't really full of treasure. And HOW did that old one-legged pirate manage to lift the darn thing?
I was living on Sunflower, tied to McLune's Warf in Rockland, when I saw Star Wars are the Bayview Street Cinema in Camden Maine in 1977. I was 14. I also got to meet Andrey the Seal in Rockport (before the movie came out, I think), rowed our dinghy up to his pen and said "hi". He didn't answer, just stared.
- Will (Dragonfly)
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jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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Was this the same wave the the Rock beat by racing with a 300 HP Merc underneath the Golden Gate and avoiding the spinning propeller blades of the cargo ship while breaking over the crest?
Not fake. Merely fantasy. I never said I don’t live in a fantasy world. FYI I heard Frank Oz say they NEVER used any sort of CGI (or whatever the acronym is). It was all them.
jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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Of Course Kermie... They were real not CG or Fake... They are real Foam, buttons and fuzz.... With a hand properly inserted and black thin sticks to help with the illusion as the hands and arms moved.
What is wonderful... they made me laugh and cry and fall in love with the magic.
What is wonderful... they made me laugh and cry and fall in love with the magic.
Well, of course the waves were computer generated, did you think they were going to film in an actual hurricane in the middle of the ocean? And Dead Calm didn't need any graphic affects because it was .... dead calm! Duh! I have mixed feelings about Dead Calm. For suspense it was ok. But the premise that the guy was actually threatening was ridiculous. He was more like a major annoyance. The opportunities to simply dispatch with him without any major problem were too numerous and it was simply frustrating and annoying to watch the 2 main protagonists (Nicole Kidman especially) bumble through the whole movie.
Adrift was ... pretty good. The storm scenes actually were terrifying. I had no problem with the graphics. I think there were plenty of scenes that were real, and set the stage perfectly well for the graphics. I thought it was about as realistic as you can get in a movie. Sue came away with the same response as Dave's wife. I have some work cut out for me after this. The only thing that I wasn't crazy about was that the love story and the whole "we're going to sail around the world and be happy together forever" was a little too cliché - ish and tedious for me. The ending was very good and made the movie worthwhile for me.
Adrift was ... pretty good. The storm scenes actually were terrifying. I had no problem with the graphics. I think there were plenty of scenes that were real, and set the stage perfectly well for the graphics. I thought it was about as realistic as you can get in a movie. Sue came away with the same response as Dave's wife. I have some work cut out for me after this. The only thing that I wasn't crazy about was that the love story and the whole "we're going to sail around the world and be happy together forever" was a little too cliché - ish and tedious for me. The ending was very good and made the movie worthwhile for me.
Maybe I'll the only one who thinks it was silly and overly dramatized.
How can any knowledgeable sailor enter a storm, while not wearing a vest, under full sail?
How could anyone expect a radio to work after a pitch pole demasting?
While powered by flooded batteries...
While an electric fresh water pump worked under water?
Where did they get an EPIRB in 1983?
Why didn't that imaginary futuristic thing work?
I could list more flaws but I guess I was expecting a realistic plot.
How can any knowledgeable sailor enter a storm, while not wearing a vest, under full sail?
How could anyone expect a radio to work after a pitch pole demasting?
While powered by flooded batteries...
While an electric fresh water pump worked under water?
Where did they get an EPIRB in 1983?
Why didn't that imaginary futuristic thing work?
I could list more flaws but I guess I was expecting a realistic plot.
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No sign of “The Mercy*”yet. It was released in the UK February 6th, but the US release date just says “2018”. (!)
Colin Firth alone would make it a must see.
*Story of Donald Crowhurst.
Colin Firth alone would make it a must see.
*Story of Donald Crowhurst.
We had an EPIRB in '77, I think. Maybe I'm remembering one from '86
- Will (Dragonfly)
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jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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Now that you mention it, I think the first ones for marine use appeared in 82 with the first satellite. If it was the old 121 MHz variety, it could have existed but not very effective.
Sources say they (EPIRB) were in use as early as 1950's but first satellite application in 1982. Apparently, they weren't very accurate or reliable at the time. I don't know how it could have been over-dramatized. The incident is a true story resulting in a death and an improbable survival. Don't know how much more real-life drama there could be. 
I'm sure there are a lot of technical details to pick apart, but it's a movie. I give some leeway in this case. Sue was asking me about the amount of sail up. It looked to me like it was reefed in the movie, but it did appear that there should be no reason for the mainsail to even be up. I explained to her that it would be logical to have some sail up for drive and stability but not as much as they showed. Again, it was a movie. I give them leeway on that point. Of course, it appears that they actually featured Tami Oldham, so I imagine she gave the producers information to make it realistic and true to the actual event. For instance, she described that Richard's safety harness was broken. I don't think it would be unusual for many sailors in that era to be clipped into harness without necessarily a PFD. I think that's a picky observation. I'd bet that during her time adrift, she actually did get the freshwater pump to work, assuming the batteries were secured during the capsize and after she used a manual pump to dewater. The one thing I thought odd was the forward hatch being opened, but apparently not damaged. I was cringing when she climbed out but left it open for water to continue to pour in. They never did address that anomaly.
I'm sure there are a lot of technical details to pick apart, but it's a movie. I give some leeway in this case. Sue was asking me about the amount of sail up. It looked to me like it was reefed in the movie, but it did appear that there should be no reason for the mainsail to even be up. I explained to her that it would be logical to have some sail up for drive and stability but not as much as they showed. Again, it was a movie. I give them leeway on that point. Of course, it appears that they actually featured Tami Oldham, so I imagine she gave the producers information to make it realistic and true to the actual event. For instance, she described that Richard's safety harness was broken. I don't think it would be unusual for many sailors in that era to be clipped into harness without necessarily a PFD. I think that's a picky observation. I'd bet that during her time adrift, she actually did get the freshwater pump to work, assuming the batteries were secured during the capsize and after she used a manual pump to dewater. The one thing I thought odd was the forward hatch being opened, but apparently not damaged. I was cringing when she climbed out but left it open for water to continue to pour in. They never did address that anomaly.
They were reefed at the mizzen and main; but as you imply--hardly practical for that storm. The headsail take-down scene was absurd--but they must have done something like that.
I pointed out to my wife that the antenna was under water--does not mean she did not try it when it happened. She was a novice, but she knew the mast was down.
This part is absurd.
Did not get that either.
That was my question as well. But, he went down with it attached to himself.
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Saw the movie a couple of hours ago; wife took me to see it. She wanted to see it too. I enjoyed the movie; but, of course there is a critique.
In format it was your basic disaster movie where some love story is developing that we get to watch while awaiting the disaster. The acting was good I thought; but, the dialog trite and mostly uninteresting. The girl ("Tami") was pretty, sexy, and believable in her role. Boats were very nice and the actual ocean scenes were fun to look at. The screen play, I guess it's called, appeared to borrow ideas from the Life of Pi (hallucination scenario) and Sully (fore-story simultaneous with present story). There was a little bit from All is Lost (i.e., incoherent & absurd situations) and from the giant-wave drama of Perfect Storm.
I can't figure out where they actually were from the movie's dialog. If sailing northeast from Tahiti to San Diego on the SE Trades they'd probably be close reaching on the std tack. Tami suggested they "tack" to head north to avoid the storm; but "tacking" would turn them SSW on the port tack. In reality, they'd need to bear off to make northing from there. If they were already into the NE trades they would be close-hauled on the stb tack and already mostly northing. So, I don't know but considering they were evidently upwind (east) of the Hawaiian Islands when the boat rolled and dismasted I conclude they were in the North Pacific in the NE trades.
It's like chess playing in movies--"check" and "checkmate" are about the only two terms the public recognizes as those are the most often said during a chess game. Like "tack" is about the only term recognizable to a public unfamiliar with sailing jargon. (Although they actually did complete the tack in the movie--stb to port.) If the public hears "stalemate" it means "draw". True, but stalemate is but one type of draw that might occur--the only one ever mentioned. The others are: draw by perpetual check, draw by repetition which includes perpetual check, draw by insufficient material on the board for either side to force checkmate, draw by the 50-move rule, and draw by mutual agreement, etc. In some informal play, one may hear during a game "guard" (Your Queen is en prise.), j'adoube (I intend to adjust a piece w/o moving it.), "draw?" (I offer you a draw.), "adjourn?" (I offer adjournment.), and of course, "I resign." (But at the end of a game you might hear many familiar phrases....)
I'd recommend the movie--it's a sea fantasy from real life.
KG
In format it was your basic disaster movie where some love story is developing that we get to watch while awaiting the disaster. The acting was good I thought; but, the dialog trite and mostly uninteresting. The girl ("Tami") was pretty, sexy, and believable in her role. Boats were very nice and the actual ocean scenes were fun to look at. The screen play, I guess it's called, appeared to borrow ideas from the Life of Pi (hallucination scenario) and Sully (fore-story simultaneous with present story). There was a little bit from All is Lost (i.e., incoherent & absurd situations) and from the giant-wave drama of Perfect Storm.
I can't figure out where they actually were from the movie's dialog. If sailing northeast from Tahiti to San Diego on the SE Trades they'd probably be close reaching on the std tack. Tami suggested they "tack" to head north to avoid the storm; but "tacking" would turn them SSW on the port tack. In reality, they'd need to bear off to make northing from there. If they were already into the NE trades they would be close-hauled on the stb tack and already mostly northing. So, I don't know but considering they were evidently upwind (east) of the Hawaiian Islands when the boat rolled and dismasted I conclude they were in the North Pacific in the NE trades.
It's like chess playing in movies--"check" and "checkmate" are about the only two terms the public recognizes as those are the most often said during a chess game. Like "tack" is about the only term recognizable to a public unfamiliar with sailing jargon. (Although they actually did complete the tack in the movie--stb to port.) If the public hears "stalemate" it means "draw". True, but stalemate is but one type of draw that might occur--the only one ever mentioned. The others are: draw by perpetual check, draw by repetition which includes perpetual check, draw by insufficient material on the board for either side to force checkmate, draw by the 50-move rule, and draw by mutual agreement, etc. In some informal play, one may hear during a game "guard" (Your Queen is en prise.), j'adoube (I intend to adjust a piece w/o moving it.), "draw?" (I offer you a draw.), "adjourn?" (I offer adjournment.), and of course, "I resign." (But at the end of a game you might hear many familiar phrases...
.)I'd recommend the movie--it's a sea fantasy from real life.
KG
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These guys did.
Well, not really. But I can't tell. Excellent work.
In the Adrift trailer I spotted fakery instantly.
BTW the frame rate in the clip below is hideous and it stalls out momentarily in the middle. All I could find.
