O'day 39 project boat

[Panta Rei]

headliners and led lights

Headliner is in. The indirect led lights look great with the new headliner. You can see from the photos that I still need to clean up the screw holes that fastened the curtains around the windows. I injected holes with gorilla glue to provide a backing for the gelcoat. I'll first remove the rust stains and then fill the holes with gelcoat but I'l wait until I do any work needed on deck. I'll use any leftovers to fill the holes.
The graphics on the light panels are http://www.tslgraphics.com/products/decals/dry-transfer
they are applied much like stickers but have no vinyl backing just ink so they match the original panels.

 

[JonnyQuest]

Excellent work on the headliner, Panta. Good info about the bubble wrap blocking noticeable levels of solar heat gain in the main cabin. How is the headliner constructed and of what materials?

 

[Panta Rei]

installing headliner.

Excellent work on the headliner, Panta. Good info about the bubble wrap blocking noticeable levels of solar heat gain in the main cabin. How is the headliner constructed and of what materials?

I used 1/8" hardboard http://www.lowes.com/pd_16605-46498-300_0__?productId=3015239 because the overhead handrails have a notch in them to hold it. Sailrite has a video on headliner installation. They recommend Formica counter top laminate. Much thinner and lighter. I purchased the pebbled headliner material from Rochford supply in Minneapolis. 6 running yards at $12 per yard 54" wide. I had just enough. Used 1/2 gallon of glue. Sprayed it on with a cup gun. NEVER!! use a roller or brush!! use a spray can if you do not have a cup gun.

I followed Sailrite's recommendation to use Velcro with pressure sensitive adhesive on the back to hold it up. It's MANY time better than screws!!!

Check out the video . It's a hoot. The camera guy repeatedly slams the guy on camera (the owner of sailrite) . http://www.sailrite.com/Installing-Removable-Cabin-Headliner-in-a-Boat-Video

sailrite also has a video of applying foam backed headliner direct to the fiberglass coach roof.

 

[Panta Rei]

v-berth

The flash does no help with the dirt on the ceiling. That is next step to prior to putting in the bedding.
My wife is getting the bedding ready. We are not using cushions in the cabins since we have no need to pile sails in them. We plan to keep the mattresses covered with mattress covers, sheets and a bed spread. The aft starboard cabin with the aft head in it will be be the kids room or the garage depending who is on board. It will likely get cushions.

Working my way back cleaning as I go. I may start installing doors and drawers soon.

 

[jibes138]

An idea for you and 25 if he is listening. Or anyone else for that matter. I made screens for the boat using that aluminum extruded stuff from Lowes and tight mesh bug screen that fit the hatch openings. Then using adhesive velcro I put it around the screen (the fuzzy side on the screen) and the hook side on the hatch opening. Now when I want screens at night I just push them in place and when I want to take them down just pull them down. So far working great and very inexpensive. I also made one with a taper to exactly fit the companionway opening, so I have screens all around. Last week I wanted to also fit something over or in my dorade vents so off to find a trim ring, finding nothing I liked I went into Bed Bath and Beyond. Found a sink strainer with a screen already built in that fit perfectly and with the same velcro I now have permanent screens in the dorade vents but they too can be removed at any time.
now about air conditioning. In the steamy south can be tough on the boat in high heat. But I don't want air conditioning installed. I found a fan at Wal Mart that put out so much air I can only run it at the lowest of three speeds. It is a squirrel cage type fan and it says for use in garages and stuff on the box. I actually get cold and have to get under a blanket with this thing even in 85 to 95 degree heat. Awesome fan. I put one in the V-berth and one in main cabin. Also good just sitting around during the daytime to keep cool without having the boat all shut up with air conditioning. Of course 115V is required so no good on a hook.
A few ideas for your notebooks.

 

[Panta Rei]

An idea for you and 25 if he is listening. Or anyone else for that matter. I made screens for the boat using that aluminum extruded stuff from Lowes and tight mesh bug screen that fit the hatch openings. Then using adhesive velcro I put it around the screen (the fuzzy side on the screen) and the hook side on the hatch opening. Now when I want screens at night I just push them in place and when I want to take them down just pull them down. So far working great and very inexpensive. I also made one with a taper to exactly fit the companionway opening, so I have screens all around. Last week I wanted to also fit something over or in my dorade vents so off to find a trim ring, finding nothing I liked I went into Bed Bath and Beyond. Found a sink strainer with a screen already built in that fit perfectly and with the same velcro I now have permanent screens in the dorade vents but they too can be removed at any time.
now about air conditioning. In the steamy south can be tough on the boat in high heat. But I don't want air conditioning installed. I found a fan at Wal Mart that put out so much air I can only run it at the lowest of three speeds. It is a squirrel cage type fan and it says for use in garages and stuff on the box. I actually get cold and have to get under a blanket with this thing even in 85 to 95 degree heat. Awesome fan. I put one in the V-berth and one in main cabin. Also good just sitting around during the daytime to keep cool without having the boat all shut up with air conditioning. Of course 115V is required so no good on a hook.
A few ideas for your notebooks.

Thanks Jibes....I googled "aluminum extruded stuff" and got nothing (crappy browser!!) can you find a photo? That fan sounds interesting. Can you find a photo of that as well?

 

[ruidh]

I have a lot of that aluminum bubble wrap left over from insulating the ice box. I'll have to look into headliners. I have no such thing on m '71 O23.

 

[25yearslater]

Thanks Todd. Sounds interesting.

 

[jibes138]

pictures by request

here's some pictures you requested.
To make the screens measure your hatch and cut the sides to fit allowing for the corner connectors. The connector pieces just slide into the frame extrusion, no fasteners required. Once the frame is made lay a piece of screen on it and install one of those rubber strips with a roller tool, trim the screen and your in business. For the tapered hatch I just made the bottom length shorter and there is enough flexibility in the corner pieces to allow a less than 90 degree corner.

 

[Panta Rei]

here's some pictures you requested.
To make the screens measure your hatch and cut the sides to fit allowing for the corner connectors. The connector pieces just slide into the frame extrusion, no fasteners required. Once the frame is made lay a piece of screen on it and install one of those rubber strips with a roller tool, trim the screen and your in business. For the tapered hatch I just made the bottom length shorter and there is enough flexibility in the corner pieces to allow a less than 90 degree corner.

thanks Jibes, I'm afraid I may be too late to find fans. The stores have rakes and shovels coming out.

 

[jibes138]

Forget rakes and shovels. I was in shock yesterday, I went into a store and they had Halloween stuff on display. Only 10 more weeks to Halloween!! What is wrong with this country?

 

[Panta Rei]

OK now we are getting somewhere

I'm a bit POed that I lost my first part. There was an aluminum round pry-out deck plate just forward of the forward hatch. The bedding leaked so it caused a soft spot forward of the hatch. I remember not knowing what it was for. I somehow threw it away. I recall being disgusted by it and the damage it did. I'll replace it with a cheap plastic deck plate. Anyone know what it would be used for? it was about 4" in Dia. $16 I did not have to spend.

OK , to the project. forward of the mast is complete. Susan says I'm no longer to do any work forward unless she approves of the drop cloths and masking protection.
I'm a bit of my own worst enemy. I try to mask and protect everything as I work but as things go I just give up knowing I can get anything off the floor. Well, I'm now scraping paint, varnish and epoxy drippings off the floor. One or two days work and the interior is complete.
Then outside.
Now this is where Joe (25 years after)and I took a completely different direction. Joe will have a completely rebuild boat. It should look as good as new for 10 years if Joe keeps a good wax on it.
I went the easy route. The hull will be prepped and get 4 coats of polyglow. It will look like new as long as I put a new refressher coat on each spring. (less than a days work)The smooth gelcoat surfaces of the deck (which are very few) will get getcoat touchup to fill in any deck cracks and dings and then 4 coats of Polyglow. The non-skid will get touch-up with primekote (Epoxy) and then one coat of Brightsides single component polyurethane followed by the same brightsides cut with flattening agent. 3 parts flattening agent one part brightside. I'm painting the non-side only a slight shade darker than the smooth gelcoat. Yes, there should be more contrast but this deck is all non-skid and the boat is heading for the Bahamas some day.
No grit in the paint. I don't like it. The boat did not have it coming out of the factory , why should it now.
This was a long tough decision. Brighsides is high gloss paint. Flattening agent is easily ground in at the factory but the factory will not do it. To do it in the field requires resin with the flattening agent all ready ground in and then added to the color. At 3 flattening to 1 color I know I'll get no hiding. That is why I'm putting down one coat of uncut brightsides. I could go to one of my buddies in the paint industry but their Polyurethane would not be as good as Interluxe's optimized coating for the boating industry.

It looks like the paint industry has convinced the boating public to take thier high gloss finish and throw sand (or equivalent) into it. I just don't like it!!

Let's see if my method is any better. I can always add one more coat .


This will be an intense two or three days vs the months Joe has put in. The results will not be as good as Joe's but hopefully exactly what I am looking for.

 

[25yearslater]

I'm glad you are pointing out the different approaches Todd. In all honesty I would have walked away from YOT had it been a larger boat. It was actually 2 feet bigger than I wanted but a fixed keel 25 without a saildrive was unavailable at the time. The 27 was available and was just the right price to make it a good candidate. I would not have been willing to put forth the time or effort in a 39 like yours with the type of restoration I did with YOT. The words of the salesman still ring in my ears. "It's a case of what you can live with." A larger boat with the problems of my 27 would be a staggering proposition unless unlimited resources and time were available. You are achieving close to new results with a much larger vessel. No shame in that at all. Believe me when I say I am a bit envious of what you are achieving with Panta Rei. All in all it isn't a matter of which is better but which is better after all the circumstances are examined. Great job Todd.

 

[Panta Rei]

I'm glad you are pointing out the different approaches Todd. In all honesty I would have walked away from YOT had it been a larger boat. It was actually 2 feet bigger than I wanted but a fixed keel 25 without a saildrive was unavailable at the time. The 27 was available and was just the right price to make it a good candidate. I would not have been willing to put forth the time or effort in a 39 like yours with the type of restoration I did with YOT. The words of the salesman still ring in my ears. "It's a case of what you can live with." A larger boat with the problems of my 27 would be a staggering proposition unless unlimited resources and time were available. You are achieving close to new results with a much larger vessel. No shame in that at all. Believe me when I say I am a bit envious of what you are achieving with Panta Rei. All in all it isn't a matter of which is better but which is better after all the circumstances are examined. Great job Todd.

I'll use this boat 2 to 3 weeks a year. Haul it back out of the water, cover the deck and head home. Slowly but surely heading to the Bahamas. The boat was once rode hard and put up wet. It will now have a very easy life. Polyglow is nothing more than acrylic floor finish. I would not recommend it for someone in Florida leaving the boat out all year. my guess is that it would not last the season.
I'll need to strip it someday. I won't use the expensive polyglow stripper. I'll stop a a janitorial supply house and get acrylic floor stripper. I forgot to mention the other product that saved me months of work . Captain Tolley's creeping crack cure. It's a water based epoxy resin that that is loaded with surfactants that allows it to creep into anything. I found it after I removed my traveler track in search of a leak. It took a day to remove it and a day to re-bed it and it was not the cause of the leak. I used the creeping crack cure and found the leak in a few minutes. I have not had to remove another fitting. It saved me months. A well bedded fitting will not allow the cure to creep under it. The cure disapears in a minute or two if you have a leaker. I consider it next in line with life jackets on board.http://www.captaintolley.com/

 

[Panta Rei]

Changing of the shoes

A major milestone. The changing of the shoes!!! The cabin is now spotless. Plenty of touch-up yet to do but it is all finesse. Rugs to wipe feet before coming aboard and bare feet below.

I'm thinking of a "burn the shoes" ceremony. They are still soaked with solvent from cleaning the floor but Susan threw them out before I had a chance. I think she had been waiting for this for some time.

 

[Panta Rei]

I made some changes to reduce the plastic boat effect and to change the 80's design to a bit more modern look.
I exposed as much of the teak as possible . The seat backs up against the bulkheads have been removed. Toss pillows will be used instead. This makes the main bulkhead just forward of the mast much larger (wider)
I removed the mirror in the forward head . It was mounted on the teak wall. I moved it to the Formica wall. This made a big difference since the mirror now reflects the opposing teak wall. Just the opposite of the original layout that covered the teak and reflected the Formica.
The hand holds mounted on the back of the settee seats was removed. Again opening things up.
I also removed the posts mounted on the galley and nav station bulkheads reaching up to the ceiling. This boat will not be a bluewater cruiser so I set it up like the modern boats.

 

[Panta Rei]

Lewmar hatch trim

Lewmar wins the rip off of the project award. This vacuum molded piece of crap was well over $100. And of course I made a mistake and measured my hatch incorrectly and ordered the wrong size. Lewmar and Mauri Pro Sailing get the industries worst customer service award. I have used Google shopping to find the lowest price for each item I purchased. I had no loyalty to anyone yet to my surprise, everyone was a joy to work with. Special award to Sailboats owners!!! they are great. That is until I ordered from Mauri Pro sailing and Lewmar. Telephone run around. Maybe I caught them on a bad day. I'll repost if I happen to get a chance to talk to a real person.

 

[jibes138]

What is it? Where does it go? Looks like the color of the plastic stuff in the head?

 

[Panta Rei]

What is it? Where does it go? Looks like the color of the plastic stuff in the head?

Believe it or not . It's what get when you spend $109

No not the color of the plastic stuff in the head. Ugly yellow vanilla. Must be painted .

The picture is what I though I was getting. They say it's ABS which I think of as an injection molding plastic.

 

[Panta Rei]

I can't really blame Mauri Pro sailing. I contacted Lewmar directly. First tech support person asked me for the outside (overall) dimension. So I ran to the boat and got it. Called back with it and was then asked (by another tech)for the cutout dimension. Which I don't have since I don't have the hatch removed. I was then told that the trim will not fit the older hatches going back to the 8o's. (super hatch I believe)
So the statement Lewmar says (fits all hatches) means that it fits all hatches that it happens to fit. Who cares about owners of an older boat!!