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Burners and Happiness
My SS Origo galley range is built about as strong as the old standard of the industry, the Force 10.
The metal might be a skosh thinner, but it's a strong construction.
Of course you can re-light the Origo burner immediately. IIRC the pot holders (adjustable clamps) are an option. We have them; they are a simple and robust design.
Reread the immediate three replies on using an Origo. It is not complicated. There is no problem of flameups like you might get with a pressurized alcohol or kerosine cooker. To repeat: the Origo does NOT have its fuel under pressure.
Note B: a "BTU" is a measurement of heat output for these burners, no matter what the fuel used. No matter how you create the heat energy, the output level of the burner will determine how long it takes to boil water or burn a steak.
Note C: All stoves, no matter what they do to make heat, have plusses and minuses.
Sidebar: I have used a propane cooker for many years before we bought a bigger boat with the Orgio. I like either one just fine. Heck, I once even used a Primus kerosine cooker for a while.
Quit worrying about what fuel your neighbor is using for heating coffee or baking cinnamon rolls and just sit down enjoy your coffee and a fresh roll! If he/she is happy cooking it and you're happy eating the chow, that should be enough.
LB
That's a good reply.
My SS Origo galley range is built about as strong as the old standard of the industry, the Force 10.
The metal might be a skosh thinner, but it's a strong construction.
Of course you can re-light the Origo burner immediately. IIRC the pot holders (adjustable clamps) are an option. We have them; they are a simple and robust design.
Reread the immediate three replies on using an Origo. It is not complicated. There is no problem of flameups like you might get with a pressurized alcohol or kerosine cooker. To repeat: the Origo does NOT have its fuel under pressure.
Note B: a "BTU" is a measurement of heat output for these burners, no matter what the fuel used. No matter how you create the heat energy, the output level of the burner will determine how long it takes to boil water or burn a steak.
Note C: All stoves, no matter what they do to make heat, have plusses and minuses.
Sidebar: I have used a propane cooker for many years before we bought a bigger boat with the Orgio. I like either one just fine. Heck, I once even used a Primus kerosine cooker for a while.
Quit worrying about what fuel your neighbor is using for heating coffee or baking cinnamon rolls and just sit down enjoy your coffee and a fresh roll! If he/she is happy cooking it and you're happy eating the chow, that should be enough.
LB
Re: Burners and Happiness
On BTU rating I agree. the stove maker will determine the BTU rating for each burner at full flame. The rate of fuel consumption will depend upon the BTU rating per unit volume of fuel.
I feel that if you are installing new then choose want you like best. If what you have is serviceable then learn to use it.
On BTU rating I agree. the stove maker will determine the BTU rating for each burner at full flame. The rate of fuel consumption will depend upon the BTU rating per unit volume of fuel.
I feel that if you are installing new then choose want you like best. If what you have is serviceable then learn to use it.
Ross,
If you inadvertently turn the Origo off you CAN re-light it immediately. I cannot comment on the tops of the Origo vs. Force 10 stoves but my Origo appears to be strong. You can purchase pot holders for it. Please refer to the attached photo.
Smithy,
As a former backpacker I always used white gas for cooking as it is faster and has higher capacity at high altitudes vs. propane or butane and avoids canister disposal. I would never use pressurized alcohol. A business acquaintance told me he nearly burned his sailboat cabin up when the pressurized alcohol flame got out of control. An Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove does a really great job. My wife and I have cooked on it for many dinner parties. I used it on non-stop sailboat excursions from Baltimore to Miami and back on several occasions.
Jibes138’s pros and cons about pressurized alcohol vs. non-pressurized alcohol vs. propane and alcohol storage recommendations are very good. I might add that alcohol has a very low vapor pressure (65 mm Hg), does not smoke, its flame can be extinguished with water in an emergency, has a visible flame and does not require a reliable and operating LEL detector (need to know it works before you need it), which makes it a safe marine stove fuel. I would not consider a wood stove.
Once again, propane is very convenient but has its risks. I have propane on my 5th wheel trailer for back-up refrigeration, stove and oven. Whenever I leave the trailer while camped or in storage I always disconnect the propane hoses at the tanks to mitigate inadvertent valve leakage and risk of explosion.
If you inadvertently turn the Origo off you CAN re-light it immediately. I cannot comment on the tops of the Origo vs. Force 10 stoves but my Origo appears to be strong. You can purchase pot holders for it. Please refer to the attached photo.
Smithy,
As a former backpacker I always used white gas for cooking as it is faster and has higher capacity at high altitudes vs. propane or butane and avoids canister disposal. I would never use pressurized alcohol. A business acquaintance told me he nearly burned his sailboat cabin up when the pressurized alcohol flame got out of control. An Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove does a really great job. My wife and I have cooked on it for many dinner parties. I used it on non-stop sailboat excursions from Baltimore to Miami and back on several occasions.
Jibes138’s pros and cons about pressurized alcohol vs. non-pressurized alcohol vs. propane and alcohol storage recommendations are very good. I might add that alcohol has a very low vapor pressure (65 mm Hg), does not smoke, its flame can be extinguished with water in an emergency, has a visible flame and does not require a reliable and operating LEL detector (need to know it works before you need it), which makes it a safe marine stove fuel. I would not consider a wood stove.
Once again, propane is very convenient but has its risks. I have propane on my 5th wheel trailer for back-up refrigeration, stove and oven. Whenever I leave the trailer while camped or in storage I always disconnect the propane hoses at the tanks to mitigate inadvertent valve leakage and risk of explosion.
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Stephen, In bright light neither propane nor alcohol flames are visible. When the morning sun shines through my companionway and onto the stove my nice blue flames vanish.
I have deliberately poured alcohol onto a sheet of plywood outside and set fire to it and tried to extinguish it with a spray bottle and with a flood of water and finally with a wet towel, only the wet towel worked. I think in this case you are repeating what you have read.
Also remember spilled liquid runs down into places hard to reach.
If they can't be trusted to use the alcohol stove, I wouldn't trust them with propane either...
propane is almost foolproof in a boat with a Solenoid. i wouLd trust most crew persons with it.i would not trust anyone with alcohol. it is not welcome on my boat.
force 10 is the perfect boat stove. at least as perfect as stuff gets. COMES with pot holders s standard equipment. can place a cutting board atop it for use s counter space or buy a cutting board to fit them.i use one i make me self.
alcohol for drinking is different from stove fuel...lol rum is always welcome!!
wood stoves are great in boats that can accommodate them.--especially wonderful in formosa 51s... and force 50s and such larger boats with much room and a special place for them.
So what I here everybody saying is:
CNG is cheaper by far @ $1.5/ bottle
CNG is safer as NO ONE has EVER blown them themselves up with it on a boat. The landlubbers have though but stupidity is infinate in large populations. I hope we are some what smarter than the average bear.
CNG is harder to find. I personaly think this is not true but then I'm used to getting stuff that is "hard to find" from working in the millitary over seas
CNG requires no extravigant storage arangements and can be stored in the cabin safely.
CNG heats almost like propane, I can't tell the differance but then I'm dumb and just turn up the burner a little as it is pretty cheap to operate.
CNG flames are as visable as propane, not strong sunlight vewable but they don't disapear either.
CNG stoves come in all the general sizes with ovens etc.
If you did not notice, I'm a fan of CNG. And yes I might need to take a tank "into town" on a distant shore or plan for my resupply with more tanks or routing but then I'm going to do that anyway
CNG is cheaper by far @ $1.5/ bottle
CNG is safer as NO ONE has EVER blown them themselves up with it on a boat. The landlubbers have though but stupidity is infinate in large populations. I hope we are some what smarter than the average bear.
CNG is harder to find. I personaly think this is not true but then I'm used to getting stuff that is "hard to find" from working in the millitary over seas
CNG requires no extravigant storage arangements and can be stored in the cabin safely.
CNG heats almost like propane, I can't tell the differance but then I'm dumb and just turn up the burner a little as it is pretty cheap to operate.
CNG flames are as visable as propane, not strong sunlight vewable but they don't disapear either.
CNG stoves come in all the general sizes with ovens etc.
If you did not notice, I'm a fan of CNG. And yes I might need to take a tank "into town" on a distant shore or plan for my resupply with more tanks or routing but then I'm going to do that anyway
As I recall, a by product of burning alchol is moisture. On my old Hunter 27, the mositure was noticable--but not unbearable.
I had an old girl friend that claimed the smell of fuel alchol made her crazy. Too bad she was crazy even in the absence of the smell.
I had an old girl friend that claimed the smell of fuel alchol made her crazy. Too bad she was crazy even in the absence of the smell.
Alcohol is what they call hygroscopic whomever "they" are. It absorbs water from the air and it goes into solution as you will note if you take some scotch and pour a little water into it. Why you would want to do this to good scotch is a mystery however.
So since the alcohol has a certain percent water in solution it is not surprising that as the alcohol burns it also gives off water vapor.
So since the alcohol has a certain percent water in solution it is not surprising that as the alcohol burns it also gives off water vapor.
Ethanol is hydroscopic but it also contains the makings for water in its molecule. C2H6O two of thos hydrogen atoms combine with the one oxygen the other four hydrogen abd the two carbons need atmospheric oxygen. As a result you get 2 CO2 molecules And three H2O molecules
Great point, why aren't we pursuing hydrogen gas as a stove fuel? This stuff is way lighter than air, burns completely clean with only water as a byproduct of combustion, and it is readily available all around us on a boat as long as you have a source of electricity. Get that inventor Scott down in Texas to whip us up a hydrogen stove for testing by MaineSail.
Natural gas comes very close the molecule is CH4. The carbon makes the flame visible. I used to weld aluminum with hydrogen/oxygen torch. The flame is completely invisible.
Hydrogen vs CNG
Hydrogen has two problems:
You can't liquefy it so it is rather bulky unless you store it under high pressure which requires heavy tankage.
And
It is a very small molecule so it tends to be able to get between the metal lattice of most pressure vessels. Aka it leaks well and hydrogen inside the metal makes it brittle.
CNG has the former problem but not the latter
Now someone will say “why don’t you just create your own hydrogen gas with electricity?”
Hydrogen has two problems:
You can't liquefy it so it is rather bulky unless you store it under high pressure which requires heavy tankage.
And
It is a very small molecule so it tends to be able to get between the metal lattice of most pressure vessels. Aka it leaks well and hydrogen inside the metal makes it brittle.
CNG has the former problem but not the latter
Now someone will say “why don’t you just create your own hydrogen gas with electricity?”
Yeah, Bill..ya on to something !! Those electric motors being discussed .. while it is not powering the boat, and you are sailing along, you could let it freewheel and generate electricity which you could then use to make hydrogen out of water.. yeah.. that's the ticket
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