Hmm. Same thing happens here with our Danforth. Must be something else going on.
What make/size of Anchor for 2005 Hunter 33?
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jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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Terry, I’ll hazard a guess.
Because of your intimate knowledge of the waters up here, you are selective in your sites to anchor. As an example, you were in a wonderful spot at Parks Bay tucked in and sheltered from the West and South breezes. A sticky mud bottom in 20 ft of water. No kelp balls to foul you hardware.
You, your boat, your anchor were one with nature.
Because of your intimate knowledge of the waters up here, you are selective in your sites to anchor. As an example, you were in a wonderful spot at Parks Bay tucked in and sheltered from the West and South breezes. A sticky mud bottom in 20 ft of water. No kelp balls to foul you hardware.
You, your boat, your anchor were one with nature.
What an incredible display of man and the power of steam machinery from another era. I was really impressed when the safety valve blew at the end of the clip. Really had the pedal to the metal at that point.
I don't know if the safety standards are quite up to snuff with all the exposed gears just waiting to catch a piece of loose clothing
! ! !And yes, pretty sure they had substituted CQR's for ordinary plough shares. They wanted something that would dig in, but not too firmly
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There is a CAUTION sticker on my spare Danforth that says those are the only conditions the anchor is to be used in
. At least it should say that.
jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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I just took a large Danforth off my boat and brought it home to the garage.
What would you recommend I do with it?
Perhaps package it with the manual windlass that is in the corner of the garage.
I can see it now. The start of a whole new boat project. Mind you, most people start out with a little more of the boat on these rebuild projects.
Stick with it, it'll be worth it in the end.
Hmm. What does it weigh? Might be interested. Trustworthy anchors, IMHO.
C'mon now. If you're going to sell it to him, at least throw in the manual windlass for extra weight (tie it to the Danforth). With the extra weight, the Danforth might hold in place.
I gotta stop this right now
. Mr. Cox lives fairly close to me and I've got a big picture window.
I’m not sure if @geoffreykwright has found a solution to his post or not. FWIW here is the Manson Supreme mounted on a 2012 H33.
Ahh, you're no fun. Just when we're getting started. I could mount John's manual windlass on my Vanagon bumper so when I get stuck in the mud out in the wilds...
My thinking about replacing the spare 25 pound CQR that I've never used with John's crappy (as some would say) Danforth has some merit, depending upon it's weight. Our main one weighs 40 pounds.
it's interesting for me to read of ralph's inabilities with a danforth anchor. i have many boats and all i use is a danforth on all of them. they work great. for the last 62 years no problems ever for me.
as i cruise around i have never heard anyone complain about the danforth like ralph mentioned.
i wonder what are all these rules and in what book that he talks about?
maybe john will gift his unwanted danforth to Terry if it has no value to him and so many others as ralph claims.
and roy, i have to admit that i too think the beauty of boats has been scared, what with all this ground tackle mounted on the bow. very unsightly
boating is just different up here on the lakes i guess
as i cruise around i have never heard anyone complain about the danforth like ralph mentioned.
i wonder what are all these rules and in what book that he talks about?
maybe john will gift his unwanted danforth to Terry if it has no value to him and so many others as ralph claims.
and roy, i have to admit that i too think the beauty of boats has been scared, what with all this ground tackle mounted on the bow. very unsightly
boating is just different up here on the lakes i guess
jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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Well well well. One sits back and listens, and all sorts of information appears.
On inspection I found that the anchor is an "Original Dansforth". Not a copy or a wannabe. I guess that makes sense coming from a boat with a mature character.
It is a Model 22S. Listed at 25lbs. Out of stock at the local chandlery. Reportedly the most popular anchor they developed.
From the Dansforth Historical Record....
Who knew I had a piece of history found on my boat. This could change the whole complexion of this issue.
On inspection I found that the anchor is an "Original Dansforth". Not a copy or a wannabe. I guess that makes sense coming from a boat with a mature character.
It is a Model 22S. Listed at 25lbs. Out of stock at the local chandlery. Reportedly the most popular anchor they developed.
From the Dansforth Historical Record....
The 22S One of the first anchors specifically engineered to hold due to its design, rather than its weight, Danforth's reputation for high holding power in a lightweight design is well deserved.
Originally designed to pull grounded landing craft off beaches in WWII, this is Danforth's most popular anchor.
Who knew I had a piece of history found on my boat. This could change the whole complexion of this issue.
I guess you're right.
Jon, the difference might be as simple as: no tides or current.
As with most "what's the best anchor?" threads, Danforths (not Dansforth) are superb in holding in one way pulls, not so great if the direction of pull changes. That simple.
jssailem
SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
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That would be consistent with the reported design intent of the anchor.
Originally designed to pull grounded landing craft off beaches in WWII
Hi Jon, not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, and as much as I dislike passing on free stuff, I'll let John see what he can get for it on Craig's List, or some such place. Who knows, it might be worth big bucks to some antique dealer, eh?maybe john will gift his unwanted danforth to Terry if it has no value to him and so many others as ralph claims.
As far as whether the Danforth resets in a wind or tide shift, my experience is that it does and well. Still a puzzle why Ralph has had such poor results with his Danforth when Jon and I have had such good results.
My guess is that it’s dependent on the level of weeds on the bottom, which can definitely cause Danforths problems.
In any case, back to the original question, the Danforth probably would fit better in that roller than a plow style, so if you anchor in places where a Danforth is effective it might be worth considering.
While that’s a pretty cool setup, I wouldn’t assume it’s a fair analogy to an anchor which is allowed to bury itself deeper and deeper as it sets.
There is a reason they are called plow anchors. I am referring to CQRs here. It does not take a close inspection to determine that plow anchors were designed after farm plows. If you look around your marina at those boats still clinging to CQR anchors, you may notice how large they are relative to boat size. This is probably because after a CQR unexpectedly drags (plows) current wisdom in plow anchor world is to get a bigger one. Then you find you need a windlass to lift the beast, then more batteries for the windlass, then bigger battery chargers and alternators. IMHO you would be better served by buying a scoop type anchor sized for your boat based on manufacturer's suggestions. There are many choices of manufacturers of scoop type anchors. The near vertical stem on new boat designs will be an anchor interference problem no matter which type anchor you have. Bigger and heavier anchors will only exacerbate the interference problem.