PFD's who needs one... It is only a day sail, a milk run really...

Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
When is the last time you actually had to cut a line in your cockpit in earnest? I can't remember when I last did it and I sail a LOT!
Anybody else had to cut a line in earnest anytime in recent history?
It's a fair point. I think a lot has to to with the type of sailing done. When we race on any of the boats (260, 367, Pogo, Fareast) there are lines EVERYWHERE. We try and police them as a matter of boat hygiene, but the cockpit and fore-deck can end up looking like a snake orgy. Some 20 lines come back to the cockpit alone. Spinnaker lines are the worst. I've never had to cut one, but I've come real close several times.

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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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I believe my comment was aimed at being on the bow having to free a sudden line jam. I was not near the cockpit or companion way. The sail was thrashing. Having the tool in my pocket made it quick and easy to resolve without having to cut a line. Cutting the line became a second consideration not the first.

As Jackdaw demonstrates in his picture, lines will tangle and racing can mean a cut line is better than an injured crew, lost boat, or coming in second.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
We try and police them as a matter of boat hygiene,
This is ultimately a safety issue too. Wasn't there just a post that pointed out the habit of sailors not to stand on lines laying across the deck?
- Will (Dragonfly)
 
Oct 30, 2017
196
Caliber 40 LRC Lake Pueblo
Not really my point. Of course, we not only have a rigging knife w/a spike and a spike in a pouch @ the companionway, but I was curious if any of us actually had to cut a line in the cockpit recently, in earnest. Not maintenance or repairs, but HAD to cut a line.
That is like asking when the last time you HAD to use your seat belt, or helmet or any number of other safety equipment items . I know people who have never made an insurance claim... should they not carry insurance?

I carry a knife for everyday use, if it helps out in an emergency all the better. While kayaking I have a fixed blade 3/4 serrated permanently attached to my PFD. By golly I hope that I never have to use it, but if I do I will sure be glad it is there.
 

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Jun 5, 2014
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ODay Mariner Guntersville
When is the last time you actually had to cut a line in your cockpit in earnest? I can't remember when I last did it and I sail a LOT!
Anybody else had to cut a line in earnest anytime in recent history?
It's a RESCUE knife. That is, to be used ONLY in EMERGENCY. The only time I have ever used it was for practice. The line would be cut not in the cockpit but in a situation like getting tangled up, then falling overboard and being dragged. How many times have you used you MOB buoy or your life raft and ditch bag in earnest?

I carried an avalanche rescue shovel for decades of backcountry skiing and never used it except for practice. Then one day my buddy got buried in an avalanche. Several years after that, we are both still grateful that we practiced proper avalanche terrain travel protocol which includes ALWAYS carrying shovels on the outside of our backpacks. I dug him out in time.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
This is ultimately a safety issue too. Wasn't there just a post that pointed out the habit of sailors not to stand on lines laying across the deck?
- Will (Dragonfly)
Its never the stepping on them that gets you. Its the loop of line you don't see that suddenly snaps closed and pulls your leg or arm.

Not stepping on lines is more of a mountaineering thing.
 
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May 12, 2004
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Hunter Cherubini 30 New Port Richey
Its never the stepping on them that gets you.
Not too sure about that. Ever step on a line and have your foot roll out from under you? That's why rope/line is never used as a jack-line.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Not too sure about that. Ever step on a line and have your foot roll out from under you? That's why rope/line is never used as a jack-line.
Agree you might fall. I was responding about a situation that might require a knife.
 

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Aug 18, 2015
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Currently Boatless Okinawa
When is the last time you actually had to cut a line in your cockpit in earnest? I can't remember when I last did it and I sail a LOT!
Anybody else had to cut a line in earnest anytime in recent history?
This is not quite the same thing as a line going overboard looped around someones leg, but on a delivery this past week, I needed to deploy the emergency stern anchor, and I came close to cutting the lash lines. The captain had used two lash lines, each to a stanchion base, with way too many knots on each end of each line. Because I had the time, I untied a lot of knots, rather than cutting, but it was almost a full minute (cold weather, cold fingers, get the gloves off, etc) before I had the anchor over the side. If the situation had been more dire, I would have cut the lines, but I guess that also makes your point.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
This is not quite the same thing as a line going overboard looped around someones leg, but on a delivery this past week, I needed to deploy the emergency stern anchor, and I came close to cutting the lash lines. The captain had used two lash lines, each to a stanchion base, with way too many knots on each end of each line. Because I had the time, I untied a lot of knots, rather than cutting, but it was almost a full minute (cold weather, cold fingers, get the gloves off, etc) before I had the anchor over the side. If the situation had been more dire, I would have cut the lines, but I guess that also makes your point.
Thanks. Sometimes a few on here get a bit overly defensive. My question wasn't a challenge or a negative statement about being prepared but rather a question, out of curiosity, whether some had actually used a knife recently, in earnest.
When working on net boats as a teen, we all carried switchblade knives (legal aboard, not ashore) in case we were taken over the side by the net. Everybody carried one, but I never knew anyone who had used one for anything more interesting than cleaning their nails.
By the way, that is one of my biggest aggravations in the boating world. More knots or wraps do not necessarily make a line more secure, but they certainly make it harder to undo, especially in an emergency. Twenty half hitches are no more secure than two. A properly cleated line is not one that looks like a skein of yarn. grrrr, lol
 
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JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Only once did I find a need to cut a line. Too long a story to tell how it happened, but in a storm a jib sheet slipped free to "flail". The flailing sheet, freakily entangles the boom lift line that was tied down and wrapped the two lines up.
Emergency and adrift!!
I had NO available knife.
My brother, with PFD, butt scoots to the entanglement and I went below for a knife.
Returning to cut the entanglement, my Brother proclaimed..."I got it free!".
Whew!
To make Capta's point, it is rare event, but I also have this knife near the helm now. [got mine half price sale]
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west...pike-and-serrated-blade--15787013?recordNum=1
Nice combo with shackle key and lanyard ring too.
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As to hypothermia...
We have those preventions now. As a former Naval Aviator, we had to be prepared to eject into Cold Water.
The main hypothermia preventer is to avoid "ejecting".:laugh:
STAY ABOARD your craft!!!:waycool:
Jim...

PS: In those years, Aviators had a floating "cocoon". You climbed into the "wet suit" like cocoon. It was supposed to extend 30 minutes for time in freezing waters.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
properly cleated line is not one that looks like a skein of yarn.
@capta you know I like you man. I thought your question was a good one. My response was not with your question but to include the idea of a marlin spike in the useful tools. Likely more helpful than a knife, in my experience. The fact that a net can pull you under on a fishing boat is so true. Sailing on smaller boats getting flipped and entangled in the sheets as the mast becomes the keel has challenged sailors. Having been under more than once in my youth the experience can be frightening. Calm and a plan are the way to survive. Even then experience sailors get in trouble.

I am a plus 1 on the cleated line. More times than I can count I have retied my dock lines after well meaning folk have secured the boat. When I can I take the time for a teaching moment with crew and friends.
 
Dec 19, 2014
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Tartan 30 Baltimore
When I race (as crew) and the true wind is above 10kts the skippers wife requires us to wear PFD's. I don't mind at all. On my boat, I wear mine whenever single handing and anytime conditions dictate. I know, it is just as easy to make a mistake and fall overboard in light air as heavy. As I age and am less nimble, conditions are dictating more frequency. I always have a knife on me when racing but keep it right inside the companionway on my boat in all but extreme conditions. I just purchased two additional inflatables for my boat to hopefully increase the frequency of use for my wife and guests.
 
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Sep 14, 2014
1,279
Catalina 22 Pensacola, Florida
The nice thing about wearing a PFD for us in the Search and Rescue field is we can recover bodies of drowning victims easier than waiting for decomp to make them bouyant enough to be found. Fact is folks drown regularly and a PFD may just avoid that if you wear them. Food for thought instead of for fish and crabs.
 

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Aug 18, 2015
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... More knots or wraps do not necessarily make a line more secure, but they certainly make it harder to undo, especially in an emergency. Twenty half hitches are no more secure than two. A properly cleated line is not one that looks like a skein of yarn. grrrr, lol
Amen to that! As I prepped all the docklines the morning we were to get underway on this same delivery, I found that ALL of the "cleat hitches" on the dock were incorrect, and incorrect through multiple "layers". On two of the incorrectly-cleated lines, a year's worth of weather, stress and the weight of a 40-ft motoryacht had jammed them so securely I needed a marlinspike to undo them from the cleat. If they hadn't been too short already, I would have cut those lines also!
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
To make Capta's point, it is rare event, but I also have this knife near the helm now. [got mine half price sale]
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west...pike-and-serrated-blade--15787013?recordNum=1
Nice combo with shackle key and lanyard ring too.
That's an OK knife (I have one) but:
The blade cannot be opened with one hand
The blade does not lock
It does not have a pocket clip.

If you want to spend 20 bucks on a emergency knife, I'd get this one. Its a basically a Spiderco, just made in China.

http://a.co/8WPV8nW
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,145
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
If you are serious about this a “made in China” blade is not worthy of your effort. This is the real thing.
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco-Tusk-Mariner-Folding-Knife--20408
Note that the spelling of Spyderco is with a “y” not an “i”.
Life is short. Accept no substitute.
What was the recent message from MaineSail. Quality is worth the price? Just don’t be testing the swimming ability of your knife.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
The blade does not lock
It does not have a pocket clip.
The marlin spike locks.
I am not sure I would like a locking blade, most knife injuries [industrial use] were from when they released the blade lock and blade snapped closed on the fingers.

The Admiral has "improvised clip" that she clips to her and has enough tether line to work the knife. Kind of like the retractable key chain on a belt.
She loves it.
Jim...