I've have been working on tuning my rigging on my newly purchased C25 and can't seem to get any rake in my mast ,if any thing it's tilted slightly forward . The backstay turnbuckle is just about maxed out and the forestay is eased off . Does anyone have any suggestions on how to remedy this situation ? Would installing a Backstay tensioner be effective ? ( back stay is split )
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Congratulations on your new boat. We had an '81 for 13 years. Great boat.
Just joined the association , my forestay is in a CDI furler it was over tightened when we raised the mast , I raised the drum and backed it off and there's plenty of slack in the forestay now will have to raise furler drum again and tighten it again once I get this figured out . I'm measuring the rake with a plumb bob on the main halyard it in its slip at the marina . The plastic extrusion on my furler had some warp in it from being stored on the trailer incorrectly, I had originally thought that had something to do with the over tightened forestay , it has straightened out somewhat since launching a few weeks ago and I'm hoping I'll be able to use it as is .
On the water, good. Jackdaw's suggestion about the toggle(s) is certainly worth a look-see. If "warp" on the furler foil doesn't mean "kink", it can be warmed to coax it into less of a warp. The manufacturer suggests putting it into a long piece of black DWV pipe and letting it bake in the sun for a good while.
G'luck!
There are only so many things that can be wrong.
On that note @C22BC , have you ever seen the boat look right?? The reason I ask is that is is possible the PO cut the forestay too short when installing the CDI furler. Its an easy mistake to make for a DYIer and there is no going back after that unless you replace the forestay.
This is the first time I've seen it on the water , that is a good point . And the previous owner had it for a short time and wasn't that helpful with passing on information . There is heaps of slack in the forestay when I backed it off and more available so I don't think the forestay would be to short .
Thanks for the in
Thanks for the in
How old is the rigging?
If over 10- 15 years the back stay may be stretched out, common thing to happen if the rigging is not loosened a few turns in the winter months. SS cables will contract a lot in the cold.
Approximately 1/2 - 1 inch on my tall rig. If they have stretched most likely they will not shrink back. That maybe why you back stay has no more turns on the turn buckles. If they are over stretched sometimes you can have them modified, however be careful of the age of the rigging. The last thing you want to happen is to have a main stay failure and lose the rig.
I don't agree with jackdaw because if the fore stay was cut short then I would think that you will have more adjustability on the back stay and mast would be raked forward. I believe the stays have been over tightened and stretched. You may want to inspect all of your chain plates for damage. They are probably fine because usually the boat hull will give a little fore and aft before chain plates give out, they are designed to carry tremendous loads.
Hope this is helpful.
If over 10- 15 years the back stay may be stretched out, common thing to happen if the rigging is not loosened a few turns in the winter months. SS cables will contract a lot in the cold.
Approximately 1/2 - 1 inch on my tall rig. If they have stretched most likely they will not shrink back. That maybe why you back stay has no more turns on the turn buckles. If they are over stretched sometimes you can have them modified, however be careful of the age of the rigging. The last thing you want to happen is to have a main stay failure and lose the rig.
I don't agree with jackdaw because if the fore stay was cut short then I would think that you will have more adjustability on the back stay and mast would be raked forward. I believe the stays have been over tightened and stretched. You may want to inspect all of your chain plates for damage. They are probably fine because usually the boat hull will give a little fore and aft before chain plates give out, they are designed to carry tremendous loads.
Hope this is helpful.
This is the first time I've seen it on the water , that is a good point . And the previous owner had it for a short time and wasn't that helpful with passing on information . There is heaps of slack in the forestay when I backed it off and more available so I don't think the forestay would be to short .
Thanks once again for the input
Thanks once again for the input
I was hoping to not have to drop the mast , but I certainly get the rigging has to be sound . Apparently the boat spent a lot of time on the trailer the last 10 years or so .Not really any way of knowing the age of the rigging , I thought it was newer because it had the open turnbuckles and the owner before the last one had done a ton of improvements and maintenance. Being a split backstay I wonder if there's any adjustment on the bracket where it splits . The upper and lower shrouds seem to be a good fit as far as adjustment goes. The second year I dropped my mast at the end of the season on my Cat 22 I noticed the starboard upper shroud only had about 3 strands holding it together at the top of the mast , replaced the full set of rigging from Catalina direct that winter .
Jssailem,
Can't agree more.
Safety is the key word.
Can't place a price tag on safety. I have seen a rigging failure happen to fellow sailor and it's not pretty. The guy not only has the cost of the standing rigging, now add the cost of a mast, running rigging, electronics, labor, damage to the decking and the list goes on and on. Last time I spoke to him he was up to approximately 7k and insurance didn't cover it. Due to rigging had never been change past its life expectancy nor was it documented to be ok.
This turned out to be a lose lose situation.
Plus he lost the majority of his season and nobody can place a price on that.
Can't agree more.
Safety is the key word.
Can't place a price tag on safety. I have seen a rigging failure happen to fellow sailor and it's not pretty. The guy not only has the cost of the standing rigging, now add the cost of a mast, running rigging, electronics, labor, damage to the decking and the list goes on and on. Last time I spoke to him he was up to approximately 7k and insurance didn't cover it. Due to rigging had never been change past its life expectancy nor was it documented to be ok.
This turned out to be a lose lose situation.
Plus he lost the majority of his season and nobody can place a price on that.
Well, he DID kinda say that in his first post.
And if the forestay was cut short, the backstay would be stretched (not slacked as you wrote) to make up for the lost distance.
I am very new to the Catalina 25 world, so forgive me if I say something stupid. Just bought a 1987 WK with standard rigging. If C22BC's Catalina 25 has a split back stay, wasn't it originally designed to have the tensioner. I have no idea how much length one will take up (doesn't seem like much), but your rigging's length was possibly cut with that in consideration. I know Catalina direct has the Back stay adjuster system as an improvement, but I think C22BC's 25 would need the original tensioner at a minimum. If you replace your back stay, you might want to consider going with the Back Stay adjuster. My understanding is it gives better mechanical leverage than the original system, and if you trailer it will take the place of having a quick release lever.
I'm definitely looking into it , would like to add the tensioner without dropping the
I'm definitely looking into it , need to find out more about them . Would like to add it without dropping mast .
You should be able to add the tensioner without unstepping the mast. I can't think of a safe way to put on a back stay adjuster without unstepping the mast. If you have your boats manual, it should have a drawing of your tensioner. This is the drawing for a 1987 Standard rig. If you don't have all the parts, I would think it would be about the same cost or cheaper and much better to change to the back stay adjuster system. To see the adjuster system, go to catalina direct, select catalina 25, then select rigging, standing rigging, shrouds. It will be in the top row. There are two there for standard rig, not sure what the difference is in them. If you select Catalina 22 and follow the same selections they have a picture of the backstay adjuster installed. I believe it is very close to the same design except the 22 is 12:1 as opposed to the 25's 8:1.
I like that system and how it works with existing chain plates , I still can't figure why the extra cable comes with the kit maybe it's the back stay replacement as well . We sold our 22 last fall and just bought this '84 SK /SR in Feb , way more rigging then the old 22 . Shooting for April sail .
Checking owners manual
This is what I'm finding , I guess I could go to West Marine or somewhere similar with diagram and buy pieces . Thanks for the input .
