Boat sank in a race. Lessons learned

Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Last evening we lost a Capri 25 during an race. It was blowing 12-15, with 22 knots gusts accompanied with a 20 degree shift. And serious waves at the leeward mark.

The Capri was going downwind under spinnaker when a gust hit and it rounded up and broached. Due to the strength of the breeze, the boat was held over with the mast tip in the water. Water downflooded through the open companionway and the boat totally inverted.

The boat was stable in the water inverted, and the crew of 6 attempted to right the boat. They got it rolled part way and the companionway came to the surface. The 'diving bell' effect was broken, and the boat immediately flooded and sank in 30 seconds. It's now in 85 feet of water in the middle of Lake Minnetonka. The entire crew was picked up by the RC and other competitors, and are all safe.

Lessons?
Well the first is, in general keep boards in (and top pulled closed) if you are in squirrelly conditions. But easy to say after the fact. And this is hard for racing boats, and boats that use the companionway to launch kites and do pit work. But important to think about, in particular if your boat design has a history of downflooding. And sinking. Like Capri 25s. Any boat with a wide V-shaped companionway, common on small boats to open up the interior, is at risk.

Second if your keelboat DOES totally invert, think VERY HARD about where you attempt to right it. Clearly the deepest part of Lake Minnetonka was not a great place. Upside down is better than sunk. I'm pretty sure they where thinking about getting back in the race. Letting the boat drift into shallow water might have made saving it easier, or at least possible.



Was a crazy night; of the 100 boats in the 7 fleets, I think 15 DNFed. At least one more dis-masting, and a broken rudder.
 
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Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
To me, and not being facetious here, the lesson learned is not having the cockpit tight (that is a given) but putting up too much sail for the conditions. Unfortunately, racers are known for pushing the limits. In some cases that is good, but obviously with the desire to win at all cost, it will cost this owner huge this time. Particularly in recovery cost, hazard spill cost (if they were a powered boat), and anything else the feds/state/city want to impose on them.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
To me, and not being facetious here, the lesson learned is not having the cockpit tight (that is a given) but putting up too much sail for the conditions. Unfortunately, racers are known for pushing the limits. In some cases that is good, but obviously with the desire to win at all cost, it will cost this owner huge this time. Particularly in recovery cost, hazard spill cost (if they were a powered boat), and anything else the feds/state/city want to impose on them.
Well you know what they say; 'The meek shall inherit the earth'. But not the sea.
 
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Jan 28, 2015
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Tartan 30 Anacortes, WA
Broaching a spinnaker is pretty common in racing. Seems to me it's real important that the crew know how to blow off the spinnaker quickly, even if that involves slicing a sheet or halyard. In this case, any idea why that didn't happen? Did the whole crew go in the drink before anyone had a chance to do an emergency spinnaker release?
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Broaching a spinnaker is pretty common in racing. Seems to me it's real important that the crew know how to blow off the spinnaker quickly, even if that involves slicing a sheet or halyard. In this case, any idea why that didn't happen? Did the whole crew go in the drink before anyone had a chance to do an emergency spinnaker release?
That's a great question.

I don't know for sure. The Capri 25 is a very squirrelly boat downwind, and you can very quickly run out of rudder. They wipe out a lot. I try to avoid sailing near them if I can. Part of this is also due to the nature of racing. You're on the edge, with little margin. That margin you normally use to back off before you lose it. We had HUGE (15 going to 24) puffs so its pretty easy to get knocked flat. The C25 has its spin halyard on the mast, so its hard to blow when your down.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,554
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Wow... sounds like a hard day for the C25 crew. I hope they are able to get back in a boat and enjoy sailing again.
 

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Aug 12, 2014
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Hunter 31 (1983) Pompano Beach FL
I'm pretty sure they where thinking about getting back in the race. Letting the boat drift into shallow water might have made saving it easier, or at least possible.



Was a crazy night; of the 100 boats in the 7 fleets, I think 15 DNFed. At least one more dis-masting, and a broken rudder.
In 85' of water it should be easy to recover. A couple of divers with lift bags, and it should be back on the surface ready to pump out in one dive.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
bottom time for 90' is like 25min -not bad really. but I bet its cold! http://www.scubatoronto.com/images/rdp1.jpg

I'm more surprise by how flat the water looks for the conditions. around here 25knts are good for at least 3-4' chop.

I don't think I've raced on a boat that had companion way boards in. something to think about...
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Well regardless, that boat is a probably a total loss. I doubt any insurance company will insure it now.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I'm on my to Bayfield Race Week, but I just heard that divers found the boat today and will raise it tomorrow with a floating crane. Will be racing again within the week. And it will be insured.
 
Jun 29, 2010
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Beneteau First 235 Lake Minnetonka, MN
Well regardless, that boat is a probably a total loss. I doubt any insurance company will insure it now.
Yes, I spoke to the owner's wife as we were out at the club today when they and the divers came in. She mentioned that when they jibed the puff hit and the trimmer let off the guy instead of the sheet on the spin and over she went. The boat is upright with a some unknown damage to the mast head. Unsure about the keel but its a muddy bottom. The crane and divers will be there at 7am to raise the boat was Jackdaw said. Due to BRW the next race is a week from Saturday and they plan on racing that weekend. The biggest worry they had was all of the crew's personal items in the cabin. Phones, keys, etc...They will be back, two other C25's have sank over the years and they are still racing today.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Interesting photos... surprising how calm and natural it looks.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Is that common for C25's?
Race a small keel boat long enough with enough of them, and some of them are going to sink. I'm pretty sure that more j/24s have sunk than Capri 25s where built.
 
Apr 11, 2012
324
Cataina 400 MK II Santa Cruz
I often help out the local yacht club as a race committee worker. I've thought a lot about the responsibility of the RC to cancel races in windy conditions. Racing, by definition, goes to the limits of the boats performance. It raises an interesting dilemma about how far to push … both for the captain, crew and race committee.