yanmar yse8 has a knoking sound

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ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
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irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
hi every one.
i'm new here. i would like your help if you can. i have a irwin 10/4 with a yanmar yse8 for power. the engine has a knok in it. kinda like a ringing sound? i put the engine on youtube. if you go to GOOGLE and type in yanmar/yse8 you can here the engine running. it was put on there 6/8/10
thanks for your help
rj
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Is this engine new to you? Or have you had it for a while? They aren't going to sound like a Mercedes V8, they sound more like a tool box full of wrenches rolling down a hill.
My YSM12 has a similar sound to it at low RPMS. Hopefully someone else will look at that video that has the exact engine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQfeR7F7Rg0
If no one else responds, I would check the valve clearances. It is very easy to take the vavle cover off adn turn the engine by hand and use a feeler gauge under the rockers. Do you have the manual? If not , I do. I can send you the pages you need.
 
Jul 5, 2007
196
Kenner Privateer 26 schooner, Carlyle Illinois
I have a YSE8 on by Bristol 24. Several things can make it knock, but usually it is bad fuel or a dirty injector. There is a manual posted online. You can find it with a search. I would surely do as Hermit suggested, and check the valve clearance. While you're at it; check the rocker arm assembly to be sure the nut holding it down is not loose. Mine came loose while running once, and the push rods and rocker assembly were laying in the valve cover. It's also a good time to torque the 4 head bolts down.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
That is probably the quietest YS engine I have ever heard.

If the idle is too low that can also make the knocking sound.

Does the sound go away (so to speak) when you increase the RPMS?
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
It's also a good time to torque the 4 head bolts down.
Unless you have recently rebuilt the engine you should not be re-torquing the head bolts. Head torque specs are based on a new head gasket. If you have good compression on all cylinders then no need to mess with the head. If not, then re-torquing is not the answer.

Valve lash adjustment should be done periodically though and could contribute to a noisy engine.
 
Jul 5, 2007
196
Kenner Privateer 26 schooner, Carlyle Illinois
Head bolts

Unless you have recently rebuilt the engine you should not be re-torquing the head bolts. Head torque specs are based on a new head gasket. If you have good compression on all cylinders then no need to mess with the head. If not, then re-torquing is not the answer.

Valve lash adjustment should be done periodically though and could contribute to a noisy engine.
The YSE8 manual lists re-torquing the head bolts 50 hours after a new head gasket, and periodically there after.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
I would seriously question "periodically". Anyone want to call Yanmar and find out why this would be necessary?
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,086
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
The service manual for the 1gm, 2 gmf and 3 gm/f/d, and 3 hm models says to retorque after the initial 50 hours then every 1000 hours thereafter..
 

ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
11
irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
thanks everyone
today i decided to take the motor out and go over it. today it wouldn't fire on ether. when it's out i can check the rod bearing and mains. and the rest of the things. ok i'll let you know how it goes. i did take the valve cover off an the valves felt pretty good and in order. i think i might have bad compression. ok i'll be reading the forums.
 
Apr 15, 2009
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C&C 30 Annapolis
If you end up taking the engine out and disassembling it, take a good look at the connecting rods while you're checking the big end bearings. If the engine has ever been hydro locked it's probable that one of the rods has bent.
 
Dec 25, 2008
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catalina 310 Elk River
Sounds like valve lash to me. How does the sound change when put under load?
 

ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
11
irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
Scott thanks for hooking my engine link up on this forum. i'll check the rods to see if it is bent. mounts still soaking with "PB blaster". i can't wait to take it apart an see what's going on. when it goes back together it will have "anti-cease" on every thing. i don't think this engine has ever been out. two mounts need replaced. that might stop some vibration. there is one oil tube behind the starter thats hard to get to i might replace now too. i already replaced the top line(pin hole in it) two months ago. that made a big mess.
i thank everyone for the advice.
rj

I THOUGHT I WOULD BE TAKING THE BOAT OUT ON VACATION, NOT THE MOTOR. LOL
 

ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
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irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
yes it changed with different rpm's. and running with no load it had that ringing/knocking sound. it was also getting harder to fire up. the last try ether wouldn't start it.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Valve lash problems usually yield a 'tick' not a knock.

Other consideration:
HIGH PRESSURE injector pump. On a Yanmar the HP pump runs on a cam and the 'clearance' to the cam by the pump's 'cam follower' needs to be perfect or you can get such 'knocking' as the interfacing part start to wear ... such pumps are adjusted with shims and are usually done/checked when you 'retime' the fuel system .... about every 1000 hours.

HP pump adjustments and fuel system timing are not a DIY project unless you have the specific expertise.
 
Jul 5, 2007
196
Kenner Privateer 26 schooner, Carlyle Illinois
I suspect you will find a blown head gasket when you take the head off. You will also probably find a lot of carbon in the combustion chamber.

My YSE8 got to where it would barely start, andI finally took the head off. I found a bad head gasket and lots of carbon. In about 4 hours work; I had the carbon cleaned out, an new gasket installed, and the valve lash adjusted. The motor started with 1 turn on the hand crank! I motored about 600 miles in the next month, and the motor sounded better all the time.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
I had headaches for a week straight. My wife kept offering me aspirin. I told her I don't have an aspirin deficiency. Something else was causing my headaches, and that I wanted to find the cause of the problem not just treat a symptom. Turns out it was too much coffee and beer and not enough water in the Texas heat.
Your engine does not have an ether deficiency. There is something else causing it not to start.
Besides that, starting fluid can damage a diesel. That stuff is made for people that don't want to fix their gasoline engines, not diesels. You can use WD40 to start and run your diesel with safely.
To be honest with you I am just repeating this to you from people I trust. I don't know for sure the real reason not to do it. But if I had to guess, I would say it is because your little diesel has 20:1 compression. A performance gasoline engine has 10:1 or 11:1. Gas explodes at a much lower compression than diesel will. When you spray ether in the chamber, the piston starts compressing the gas. It explodes before the piston reaches the top. This can bend the connecting rod or probably a host of other real bad things.
The high compression is what makes diesels so much more efficient than gasoline engines. But you rely on that compression to ignite the diesel/air mixture.
Another guess I will make is, whatever is causing that sound is what's causing it to run worse and worse. I think you made a good choice taking that engine out and finding out what's wrong with it before something catastrophic happens.
 

ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
11
irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
OK
it took a few hours but everything is unbolted. i had to chisel three motor mount bolts off. the bolt under the fuel pump came lose with a wrench. probably from little fuel leak on ejector copper seal i found three weeks ago. i had to split the shaft coupling bolts (4).they spit fairly easy. i guess because they were harden bolts. i'm going to set a 55 gal barrel on port and starboard sides and put a 4x4 on top maybe two. then work the engine slowly out of the hole with a chain-fall. set it on the deck and wait for the crane.
might just go for a sail being it will be my B-day
OK talk later
rj
 

ocbew

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Jun 8, 2010
11
irwin 10/4 baltimore, md.
I had headaches for a week straight. My wife kept offering me aspirin. I told her I don't have an aspirin deficiency. Something else was causing my headaches, and that I wanted to find the cause of the problem not just treat a symptom. Turns out it was too much coffee and beer and not enough water in the Texas heat.
Your engine does not have an ether deficiency. There is something else causing it not to start.
Besides that, starting fluid can damage a diesel. That stuff is made for people that don't want to fix their gasoline engines, not diesels. You can use WD40 to start and run your diesel with safely.
To be honest with you I am just repeating this to you from people I trust. I don't know for sure the real reason not to do it. But if I had to guess, I would say it is because your little diesel has 20:1 compression. A performance gasoline engine has 10:1 or 11:1. Gas explodes at a much lower compression than diesel will. When you spray ether in the chamber, the piston starts compressing the gas. It explodes before the piston reaches the top. This can bend the connecting rod or probably a host of other real bad things.
The high compression is what makes diesels so much more efficient than gasoline engines. But you rely on that compression to ignite the diesel/air mixture.
Another guess I will make is, whatever is causing that sound is what's causing it to run worse and worse. I think you made a good choice taking that engine out and finding out what's wrong with it before something catastrophic happens.
hi
would you know a fair place to buy parts for yse8. maybe a rebuilt motor.
rj
Baltimore MD.
thanks
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
hi
would you know a fair place to buy parts for yse8. maybe a rebuilt motor.
rj
Baltimore MD.
thanks
I scoured the earth for some one selling less than list price. There is a place in Australia I found, but the shipping killed me. So I went to a local shop and bought them, a shop that is out of business now. I rebuilt my ysm12, but i didn't rebuild the injector, injector pump, alternator, And the parts were over $1000. Grinding the new valves into place, polishing the crank and pressing in the main bearings was $150 or $100 of that. That was the only labor I paid. That is a new cylinder sleeve and a new piston included though.
To me there is nothing "fair" about $1000 to rebuild a single cylinder engine, but it is what it is.
If you do rebuild it, look for the oversized main bearings and have the crank ground to match them. I have a press here, but it takes like 6 tons to press those things in and out.
 
Jul 5, 2007
196
Kenner Privateer 26 schooner, Carlyle Illinois
YSE8 parts

hi
would you know a fair place to buy parts for yse8. maybe a rebuilt motor.
rj
Baltimore MD.
thanks
Torreson Marine is the authorized Yanmar parts supplier for Maryland. They give good service and keep lots of parts for the YSE8. I bought gaskets, impellers, zincs, fuel lines, and an injector from them. Prices are fair compared to other suppliers.
http://shop.torresen.com/marine_diesel_direct/Yanmar/
 
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