Yanmar Engine Mount Worries

Jun 25, 2004
487
Hunter 306 Pasadena MD
Short version: observed unusual engine vibrations (2GM20F, front of engine bouncing up and down) when the transmission was in neutral, engine idling at 1200 RPM, the prop was free-wheeling, sea state was higher than I'm used to. 18 year old engine, never aligned, original engine mounts look to be be in good shape, but what do I know? I'm worried that the engine mounts may be shot, but how do I tell?

Long version: On Saturday, I motored all the way from near Baltimore down to Annapolis (20 miles, 4 hours, 5 knots, 3000 RPM, no wind). I always check on the engine for vibration, and noticed nothing unusual. My wife joined me (by car) for a pleasant evening in Annapolis, and I left Sunday morning for a solo return trip. The wind was 12-15 knots, gusting to 17-19, so I started out with full sail up, put in one reef shortly, put in a 2nd reef next. A bit higher wave action than I usually see: maybe 4 feet. (Yeah, I know: wimpy for most of you. It is what it is, though.)

Anyway, I left the engine on at my usual low-vibration idle of 1200 RPM for a while in neutral, because I was solo and needed the extra safety factor. By the time I'd put in the 2nd reef (maybe 1 hour in), I was less busy, so I went below and checked the engine. It seemed to be hobby-horsing, with the back of the engine stationary and the front bouncing up and down 1-2". I've never seen this motion before in 18 years. Made me really nervous, so I shut the engine down. Strangely, the motion continued just from the prop auto-rotation (trans. still in neutral). I've _really_ never seen anything like this before, so I put it in reverse. Engine vibration stopped, and I proceeded to sail for 6 hours all the way back, in a big L-shaped course that took me roughly 1.5-2 hours out of my way compared to a direct course. I figured I'd chance using the engine just to get into port when I was really close. It was actually sort of a fun adventure, as the wind was still high, it was raining, I was on my own with a sketchy engine. But with the wave action, it was pretty tiring after 6 hours, as I hand steered almost all the way (wind from 130 degrees for most of the way).

When I got into Rock Creek (in the Patapsco: there are a million Rock Creeks, ours has White Rocks Marina where we keep the boat), the wind had died down to 5-6 knots, so I chanced the engine. The vibration was maybe a little more than I expected at 2000 RPM, but not bad. Ran it up to 3000 RPM, and the engine looked rock solid: no vibration to note. Docked with no issues.

Other observations: the 4 original Yanmar engine mounts look normal to me, but I was fried by this point after 6 hours of hand steering, so I forgot to take pictures, and didn't investigate much further while I put the boat to bed. So I strongly suspect I may need to replace the engine mounts, but heck: it's a large investment of money, time, and energy just as I'm getting close to my big Fall trip, so I don't want to do unnecessary work.

How do I test whether or not this is really needed? Could it be that the sea state was just higher than I'm used to, so I haven't observed this level of engine motion before? 1-2" of bouncing just from a free-wheeling prop with the engine shut down seems extreme to me.

Thanks for your thoughts!
 
Feb 21, 2010
347
Beneteau 31 016 St-Lawrence river
From what you describe I would think a large piece of some sort of vegetation or you picked up a length of rope on your prop… you don’t say if you tried hard reverse to rid yourself of such a possibility. Do you have a line cutter on your shaft?
The mounts on my 3YM20 are 16 years old… a nut on one of the forward mounts came loose and fell off last summer creating some vibration; I retrieved it, put it back on and torqued it… no more vibes.
 
Jun 25, 2004
487
Hunter 306 Pasadena MD
No line cutter. I didn’t try reverse until I was back in the slip, but it’s an interesting idea. I had definitely planned to check the mount bolts as soon as I’m back at the boat. Good ideas all: thanks.

edit: I actually dove on the prop right at the start of the trip to clean it. So I’m not eager to do it again so soon: the Chesapeake is none too clean. Maybe better than hundreds of dollars and hours of work, though.
 
Mar 6, 2008
1,314
Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
Do you have broken alternator bracket?
 
Nov 21, 2012
716
Yamaha 33 Port Ludlow, WA
I understood that the engine mounts on the Yanmars are supposed to be replaced periodically: 4 years or 1,000 hours. I'm searching for the specific reference and will edit this post when located.
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,137
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
would love to see pictures of the engine hobby horsing. Did it make any unusual noise? As was said, check all mounting bolts.

For yanmar engine mounts….. great product, great price and fabulous customer service try these guys. In Europe however ships directly to you. The owner/engineer will call you directly if you have e questions.

Www.ellebogen.com

goodluck
Greg
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,137
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
He has a Facebook page as well with great information “ellebogen ellebogen”
 

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
1,742
Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
Look at the fasteners that hold the mounts onto the stringers. Some boats come with lag bolts and those can loosen up.
 
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Jan 7, 2011
5,493
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I understood that the engine mounts on the Yanmars are supposed to be replaced periodically: 4 years or 1,000 hours. I'm searching for the specific reference and will edit this post when located.
I hope you DONT find that reference….

I doubt my 32-year old boat has ever had the mounts changed…I may be about due.

Greg
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,068
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
The mounts can be checked by measuring the clearance between the top and bottom steel plates. I seem to remember that it should be no less than 3/8” but I don’t have that at hand right now. I agree with checking for prop fouling and definitely checking alignment.
 
May 17, 2004
5,586
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Yanmars are supposed to be replaced periodically: 4 years or 1,000 hours. I'm searching for the specific reference and will edit this post when located.
For the YM series it’s the end of section 2.2 of the Service Manual, and it is exactly the intervals you said. I do wonder how many actually get replaced at 4 years.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,068
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
I replaced my mounts at about 27 years.. One was collapsed, the other three were still fine. The collapsed one had about 3/16" between the steel plates which would touch under some conditions of power and heel. That mount sounded like someone was under the boat with a hammer when it happened.
 
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Oct 22, 2014
22,926
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
With my engine being rebuilt, I am planning to buy new mounts for my Perkins. 3 look to be in ok shape on showing signs of corrosion. Engine was built in 1973. No idea how old the mounts are. Manufacture is Bushings Inc. https://www.bushingsinc.com/ looked up the price in Fisheries and the range for my engine is $65 to $78 per mount. Found a convenient chart to select by engine. https://www.bushingsinc.com/dual-flex-engine-mounts/

Seems that selection has to do with engine and or transmission weight. Since I have the front two on the engine and the rear on the transmission and the combined weight is about 650-700lbs the mounts recommended look beefy.

1/2" stud on the forward engine and 5/8" on the transmission/engine end.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,926
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Here is an interesting article about engine mounts in the magazine Ocean Navigator.
"Yanmar mounts are manufactured specifically for each side of the engine. That is, either the starter side or the oil filter side, as engine torque will change the effective loading on either side of the engine. Make sure that you get the mounts positioned on the correct side of the engine."
 
Nov 22, 2011
1,250
Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
For the YM series it’s the end of section 2.2 of the Service Manual, and it is exactly the intervals you said. I do wonder how many actually get replaced at 4 years.
That interval is probably so they can sell more motor mounts at confiscatory rates.
 
Jun 25, 2004
487
Hunter 306 Pasadena MD
I understood that the engine mounts on the Yanmars are supposed to be replaced periodically: 4 years or 1,000 hours. I'm searching for the specific reference and will edit this post when located.
Yeah: I read around some before posting and saw a few comments like that. They seem so extreme (like “you should change the oil every 10 minutes”) that it’s a bit hard to take them seriously. Certainly if you were a full-time cruiser, it would be something to consider. But I’ve got maybe 400-500 hours on the engine in 18 years, so…

Edit: I don't mean the comments were extreme. Just that the Yanmar "advice to owners" seems extreme.
 
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Nov 21, 2012
716
Yamaha 33 Port Ludlow, WA
Yeah: I read around some before posting and saw a few comments like that. They seem so extreme (like “you should change the oil every 10 minutes”) that it’s a bit hard to take them seriously. Certainly if you were a full-time cruiser, it would be something to consider. But I’ve got maybe 400-500 hours on the engine in 18 years, so…
Mine are about 20 years old and have 900+ hours on them. Engine is solid and doesn't vibrate. I'm not in a hurry to replace them.
 

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Jan 20, 2005
1,031
Nauticat 321 pilothouse 32 Erie PA
on my new 2 GM20F installed by a reputable local mechanic in 1997, the subject of the yanmar engine mount changeout schedule came up. he said 1/ the mounts wear from engine being run and vibrating, not from age. so the '4 year replacement interval thus makes little sense. (Here on the great lakes our boats are in winter storage half the year. ) 2/ the mounts are adjustable because of the large adjusting nuts on each support bolt. as the mounts age you can adjust the bolts to make sure the prop shaft engine -side half of the coupler is still properly matched to the half of the prop shaft. so check for face out on the coupler each year, if you see the engine-side sinking because of mounts compressing it's time to a dust so the facet is equal at all points on the coupler. When we sold the boat 15 years later the engine mounts hadn't been touched , and the coupler facet was still perfect.
 
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Apr 22, 2011
930
Hunter 27 Pecan Grove, Oriental, NC
If you are thinking about buying four new mounts, I have four that I bought from a British company a couple of years ago and never used them. They are not in a Yanmar package but appear to be the same as oem. Two are 75 series and two are 100 series for front and back. $200 for the four.