Where to camp in Galveston Texas area?

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Sep 26, 2010
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Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
OK,
I've been internet shopping for several months now.(every day!) I pretty much decided on the Mac 26 C or D. because of the light weight and the big bed on the aft.
Daydreaming about going on trips on my little cruiser. Time for a reality check. I see a lot of sailboats on Galveston Bay most of the year, but I never see any of them overnighting away from their slips. (a lot look like they never leave their slips!) I have been told that for cruising to remote locations up or down the Gulf, I would want a much bigger boat.
Is there anyone on here that cruises the Galveston Bay area?
Are there places to go outside the bay that are realistic in a 25-26 ft boat?
It would be cool to be able to sail, for example, to New Orleans and go gambling, and come back after a few days.
If I end up with a boat and not really camping in it, I might settle for a slightly smaller boat.
Jim
 

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Jan 3, 2010
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Venture 2-22 tyler
Try a google search of "sailing Kemah". Several charter companies and sailing schools around there can probably guide you.
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Hey Sum,
You're right, and I will.
Up till now, I've happily sailed my Hobie 18 around in the bay and made short trips off shore. It's all good. Being able to spend a few days without having to go back home will be a new experience. It would be more exciting if it was in new places, with actual destinations, not just sailing in circles or the direction with the highest speed.
the intercoastal canal is here and does go a very long way. I haven't done my homework really, but I thought there wouldn't be access to it accept at ports or river mouths.
So maybe going up and down the coast might actually be doable.
jim
 
Apr 30, 2006
610
Macgregor 26s Kemah, TX
I've cruised on Galveston Bay. There are lots of places to anchor overnight, if that's what you're asking. The intracoastal waterway goes from Brownsville to Apalachicola, FL so there's a lot of cruising possiblilities there. When you say "camping" do you mean staying on the boat while it's on the trailer, or do you mean anchoring?
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Robspan,
I was referring to staying on the boat on the water. I hadn't considered that I could stay on the boat when I'm on a road trip, even on the trailer, but I guess why not!
It would be nice to put in at say, Clear Lake at the public ramp, and set sail and not come back for a few days. In those few days, it it would seem pointless to go around in circles in the bay. Now if I could leave the bay, and go to Corpus Christi for instance, and then come back. It seems kinda cool.
So hypothetically speaking, if I leave the Galveston jetties and want to go south. I might only average 4 or 5 mph in that direction.(or less?) In a 8 hour sail I could only cover 32-40 miles. So, would I duck in at San Luis pass, or stay in the gulf overnight? Either of those choices seems treacherous. Is Galveston to Freeport doable without night sailing? Our prevailing winds are usually from the south more or less so that would be the up wind direction.
Obviously I have a lot to learn, and wouldn't set out like that with my skills as they are now, but I'm just trying to explore my possibilities in the M26 that I think I will end up with.
Jim
 
Apr 30, 2006
610
Macgregor 26s Kemah, TX
The cruising group that I belong to, Texas Mariners Crusing Association, or TMCA, has almost weekly cruises to destinations on Galveston Bay and to the west as far as Port Aransas near Corpus Christi. Here's the website: http://www.tmca.nu/
If you click on the Cruising tab, you'll see a number of places that the group cruises to on a regular basis. Here's a pdf file that I helped put together, to Smith Point on the other side of the Bay from Kemah. You can find others in the Cruising section of the website.
One piece of advice if you're cruising the Bay - the charts don't show some of the obstructions in the water, such as pipes, old platforms, etc. In fact, the latest chart still doesn't show the Mid Bay Marsh, which is a big spoil island on the east side of the ship channel. It's been there for at least 10 years. So don't cruise at night unless you're very familiar with the route.
 

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Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
I've been looking at the Active Captain site, and there is good info there but not as basic as I need.
Looking at the map for possible destinations. Being in Houston, it's a long way to places I think I would want to sail to, so I could do a road trip and trailer the boat closer to my final destination. I work for a living, so I can't take a year off and disappear, but I can take a normal vacation time, 1-2 weeks, maybe 3.
Is the Mac 26, capable , realistically speaking, to go to Grand Bahama, from say Palm Beach Florida? Do people commonly do that in similar boats, or is that considered going out on a limb?
Jim
 
Sep 25, 2008
295
1970 Venture by Macgregor 21 Clayton, NC
claustriphobia

About 40 years ago I had the same idea. Then after a few nights on the boat someone in our family decided that she had claustriphobia. I still have the boat. It is used for land camping and sailing, and day sailing. Fortunately I it is only 21 feet, and in not a big problem to store.

You may wish to explorer that line of thought before going in big on the boat.
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Knuttle,
I know what you mean. Sailing isn't the admiral's most favorite thing in the world either, but after 29 yrs of bliss, I tend to go ahead and do what I like. If I wait for her, I'd never do anything.
she can join if she wants, but it's up to her. I'm gonna have some fun.
I still have a hard time judging what kind of cruising I could do in that Mac 26.
I think if I'm going to get a cabin style boat, it might as well be as big and comfortable as I can reasonably handle.
 
Dec 7, 2003
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Matagorda Bay

I have long wondered why Matagorda bay in SE Texas and in particular Palacios (and Tres Palacios bay) is so secluded pleasure boating-wise, compared to any other substantial body of water in the area.

On many occasions when my wife and I have gone for sails we feel like we are the only boat on the bay. Like it is all for just the two of us. Matagorda Bay is larger in sail-able area, deeper and much prettier with more day sail anchorages than the much over crowded and expensive Galveston bay area. Matagorda Bay is an inland waterway connected to several hundred miles of bay-systems that stretch from Galveston to South Padre. It is a 1.5 hour drive from west Houston (hwy 59 to hwy 71 south).

There are only a few small marinas in Palacios (small town at NE corner of the bay). It is much less congested than Port OConnor which is on the same bay system but further to the SW corner (which is a much further drive from Houston).

I highly recommend you truck on down and try out the area. If you do you won't be disappointed as far as the area goes for sailing. What it doesn't have by comparison is the Galveston scene (night life, restaurants, people watching and boat watching, etc.). So if you're more into the shore side scene than the sailing then Palacios is definitely not for you. But by comparison it has much better pure sailing and secluded anchorages to offer. And a few very good affordable resturants.

I keep my boat in a slip at Serendipity in Palacios, TX. It is a marina and RV park. They have overnight slips as well. Lots of room and lots of great sailing in the bay. It's a large bay (Trespalacios & Matagorda bays) with mostly deep water and good fishing.

Here is a link to Serendipity, you can google th other marinas in the area.
http://www.campingfriend.com/serendipitybayresort/

As far as places to overnight of course there is Serendipity in Palacios but also Port O'Connor also has a marina where you can overnight. Or if you want to stay out at an anchorage there is Hotel Point (some call it Palacios Point) which is a half moon bay on the east side of matagorda bay/tres palacios bay before you get to Matagorda Island (the center island).

Hotel Point has a sandy beach on the south side and east side of the half moon bay. It is protected on 3 sides so it's a good place except when a strong west wind is blowing as it is open to that side but usually the wind blows out of the south or east so it's really good then. But there are many other anchorages in the Matagorda bay system, that one is just my favorite.

There is also the Matagorda Islands which are 4 islands (depending on how you count them) all called Matagorda. The islands range in length between 20 and 30 miles long each. They are only accessable by boat (except for east Matagorda island which is a State Park that you can 4-wheel down) and all have good anchorages for a south wind and a few for south and east winds. East Matagorda has a very shallow bay and is 30 miles further east and isn't good for sailing but as I said you can camp there by 4-wheeling down the beach as there is no road, and it is 26 miles long.

The main bay South of Palacios also called Matagorda bay/Tres Palacios bay is the bay I'm refering too and is the center bay. But south of Port O'Connor there is another bay called West Matagorda bay that has an island also called Matagorda with an old WWII air field, some old docks and was once a State Park, but it closed. You can still go there though. It has a Civil War light house on it and you can bike around the island due to the old air field taking up most of the place. You can overnight there as well in one of the old docks or just anchor off the island.

Since the 3 main matagorda islands to the west are only accessable by boat you can anchor at certain points where the island is not as wide like only a 100 yards or so and dingy ashore and walk across to the Gulf of Mexico side and do the secluded beach scene thing. The beaches are quite nice there especially compared to Galveston which has lousy beaches.

Of course you can take the main ship channel out to the Gulf for a little blue water sailing which is clearly marked on all the charts and the channel in Matagorda bay doesn't have the shallow unmarked spoil piles problem just off the channel that you have up and down the ship channel over in Galveston bay.

The fishing is pretty good in Matagorda bay too. And one great thing about the Mac is the shallow draft especially with the water ballasted M & X so you can get into the many shallows in the area and gunk hole and fish with the best of them.

So come on over and give it a try, and explore the place only don't tell too many people about it.

Kind Regards,
JonBill
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Jonbill,
thanks for the input. I don't really do the social thing like yacht clubs or the like. The places you mentioned sound wonderful, and not too far from home.
I can't wait to get my boat. Heck it might be a cool place my Hobie.
Nobody has responded to my question about sailing out of Florida to Grand Bahama. I take it that's not the kind of trip people would do with a boat like the Mac 26
Jim
 

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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Nobody has responded to my question about sailing out of Florida to Grand Bahama. I take it that's not the kind of trip people would do with a boat like the Mac 26
Jim
It has been done by a number of people with different Mac's, also to the Dry Tortugas. Not one Ruth and I are ready for now or maybe ever.

Like TB said check out these guys and gals...

http://www.conchcruisers.net/

You would want to be very careful and not have to be on a time schedule going out or coming back.

Good luck,

Sum

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May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
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I can take a normal vacation time, 1-2 weeks, maybe 3.
Is the Mac 26, capable , realistically speaking, to go to Grand Bahama, from say Palm Beach Florida? Do people commonly do that in similar boats, or is that considered going out on a limb?
Jim
IMHO, the problem with a mac going to the bahamas is storage. But in good weather, may-july, sure the boat is capable. as long as the captain has the skills.

for west end GB, and with a sailboat, you'd want to leave from florida further south. fort lauderdale or miami. only powerboats can take off from lake worth.
 
Sep 26, 2010
808
Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
MrBill,
I looked a little more at the site that gave me the Grand Bahama idea. It looks to me like going from Miami to Bimini would be the thing to do, on a small boat. I think they said to plan on 6-12 hrs roughly. Once there, it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to spend a few days, (maybe one or two in a hotel), and return. I don't know how much provisions people would normally carry on the boat. I understand Items bought locally would be expensive, but hey it's a vacation. You're supposed to spread the wealth right?
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
current runs around 3knts so it will push you maybe 10-15 miles... and you never want any north winds, going against the current...

read the conch cruisers site....

they went a few times... but they motored the whole way to keep the group together... which was wise since a few were NOT prepared to motor 12hours... and several needed to be towed there and back. (I would never attempt to motor the whole way)

you want to have been offshore several times, on multi day trips before considering that...

note the conch's left from anglefish creek in upper keys for bimini...(around midnight) which is what I would also recommend.

its not a trip for a rookie... and the tortugas is actually worse IMO, since there are NO provisions, or services, so its really out and back on one load...

you can rent a eprib life raft, a sat phone. (get the epirb)

abaco is were you want to go, but bimini is good for a few days to a week.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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current runs around 3knts so it will push you maybe 10-15 miles... and you never want any north winds, going against the current..........

. which was wise since a few were NOT prepared to motor 12hours... and several needed to be towed there and back. (I would never attempt to motor the whole way).............

its not a trip for a rookie... and the tortugas is actually worse IMO, since there are NO provisions, or services, so its really out and back on one load.............
Great advice. The more I read the more I realized it wasn't a trip for Ruth and I, at least not for a while. We are not crazy about group deals, but going out there it would be wise to cross with at least one other boat in my estimation.

I think they were lucky on both the trips to Bimini and the Tortugas. I think there were people that weren't really ready for those trips and only did it because it was a 'group' deal and that could of possibly gotten them and others into a bad situation.

c ya,

Sum

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Apr 30, 2006
610
Macgregor 26s Kemah, TX
I agree that Mr. Bill's advice is great.

Years ago some friends and I chartered a Morgan 41 from Lauderdale to Bimini, and then cruised the Bahamas as far as the Exumas. The engine died halfway across to Cat Cay, and by the time we figured out what was wrong, we had drifted miles to the north, all the way up to Great Isaac.

When you're crossing open water, you have to assume the worst. Such as a wave drowning out the engine. If that happens and you don't have a favorable breeze, you can be on the water for a lot longer than you planned.

If you go during the summer, you don't have the northerly fronts but you may not have much breeze except in squalls. If you go during the winter, you may have to wait for a norther to subside before you can go or come back.

Even if you don't have weather to worry about, the current makes navigation much more complicated. We used vector diagrams - one arrow for boat speed and direction to Bimini, and another for average current speed and direction. The third arrow connecting the two gave us our real speed and course.

You need to be smart and flexible.
 
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