Yes, 9 is regional hailing and in Casco Bay is dominated by launch & marina chatter. Too much noise so I don't bother.
Where ‘Roger That’ Really Comes From
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Around here many of the launches and marinas have their own working channels, which helps. Some don't even monitor 9 anymore. People having conversations on 9 are often admonished to find a working channel.
It was my understanding that "over" meant I'm done talking, your turn to talk. Similar to what you say above. 'Out" means I've left the conversation - might be switching channels, whatever but from my side this conversation is closed. To speak with me again you'd need to hail me.
For one to say "over and out" is simply rude. It basically said, I'm listening, but not really because even though I just said I was listening, I cut you off before you had a chance to speak as I then just said out.... Kind of like talking on a phone and saying to someone, "yeah let me know what you think", and then hang up the phone on them...
dj
Maybe it's just me but I think that in order for 'over and out' to be offensive it requires a prequel and someone who can be offended easily.eh
@dLj How we used it in the Navy too. "Over" is used why you are in an "active conversation" with one or more individuals, and are done speaking, normally expecting a response. If others are on the same frequency, unless it is a urgent or they are part of the conversation, they don't just cut in. It keeps people from trying to talk over one another.
"Out," as you say, means "I am done talking and no longer will remain in the active conversation. Hail me if you want to contact me." If you stay on the same channel is is customary to say "Out, Song of the Sea is monitoring Channel 9". If you are shifting to another channel, you might say "Out, Song of the Sea is changing to Channel 16", or whatever channel you are shifting to. This way they know you are leaving the conversation and if they want to talk to you again, they will have to hail you on the channel you are monitoring.
"Roger" means I have received your transmission and normally also is taken to mean I understand what you said (Not that I agree or not, just I understand.) If it is unclear you can say something like "Say again, or similar similar) If it is really important the Roger is followed by a repeat or summary of what you think you heard such as "Roger, understand you are changing course to Starboard and coming to course 265"
Crisp and clear communications are important especially in restricted waters or when failure to communicate clearly has ramifications. As an old an famous football coach once said "you play like you practice."
@jviss Not only do the Coasties, making the routine transmissions on 22A read from a script but they talk so fast that you can hardly understand them. It really bugs me. Why not slow down and speak clearly? Guess they have to get back to whatever else they were doing in a hurry.
"Out," as you say, means "I am done talking and no longer will remain in the active conversation. Hail me if you want to contact me." If you stay on the same channel is is customary to say "Out, Song of the Sea is monitoring Channel 9". If you are shifting to another channel, you might say "Out, Song of the Sea is changing to Channel 16", or whatever channel you are shifting to. This way they know you are leaving the conversation and if they want to talk to you again, they will have to hail you on the channel you are monitoring.
"Roger" means I have received your transmission and normally also is taken to mean I understand what you said (Not that I agree or not, just I understand.) If it is unclear you can say something like "Say again, or similar similar) If it is really important the Roger is followed by a repeat or summary of what you think you heard such as "Roger, understand you are changing course to Starboard and coming to course 265"
Crisp and clear communications are important especially in restricted waters or when failure to communicate clearly has ramifications. As an old an famous football coach once said "you play like you practice."
@jviss Not only do the Coasties, making the routine transmissions on 22A read from a script but they talk so fast that you can hardly understand them. It really bugs me. Why not slow down and speak clearly? Guess they have to get back to whatever else they were doing in a hurry.
I didn't say offensive, I said rude.
Offensive: Causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry. "the allegations made are deeply offensive to us"
Rude: Having a startling abruptness. "the war came as a very rude awakening"
Just clarifying...
dj
In Air Force radio vernacular, clicks on the mic button take the place of all sorts of responses.
One click could mean Roger, two clicks Roger Out. Its poor form when using with another not versed in the use.
Drives Army guys nuts who use over and out on the telephone even when talking to their wives which seems silly.
One click could mean Roger, two clicks Roger Out. Its poor form when using with another not versed in the use.
Drives Army guys nuts who use over and out on the telephone even when talking to their wives which seems silly.
Now you're just being contrary.
For example, if someone tells me "go to "A" dock and tie up at slip #3, I can say "Roger, over and out." That's not rude.
"Roger" came from the Wireless days or the letter R = Received. "dit dah dit" normally sent 2 times
When Voice Radio arrived the Phonetic Alphabet and "Roger" was tested as best heard over Voice.
Now it is "Romeo"
Most rate calls as 5 by 5 on voice.
and 5 by 5 by 5 on Morse Code.
The second 5 indicates other Interference like lightning or more
Jim...
PS: How do you detect Rude behavior?
When Voice Radio arrived the Phonetic Alphabet and "Roger" was tested as best heard over Voice.
Now it is "Romeo"
Most rate calls as 5 by 5 on voice.
and 5 by 5 by 5 on Morse Code.
The second 5 indicates other Interference like lightning or more
Jim...
PS: How do you detect Rude behavior?
If you want to pick up your of listening try Newark Traffic Control Tower on line they don't spend much time on rude or offensive, if any at all. Except for 'let us know when you're ready to copy a number'. Going back to Dick Tracy "Six-two and even, over and out." I think the reference is to the illegal games of craps he often seemed to be chasing after which would still be running and the seven had not yet ended the game.
I’m just glad when I hear “Roger” instead of 10-4.
Yea, it's funny, the only people using the absolutely correct, formal radio procedures are the interested amateurs. The "pros," as in USCG, ship captains, lobster and fishermen, harbormasters, et.al., just 'talk.'
All of this talk has inspired me to get back to work on my home antenna project. I don't have one up at the new house, but I have all the parts and cable, for a wideband ham whip, FM antenna, TV antenna, and an aluminum mast; I have hundreds of feet of quality cable, and a huge assortment of connectors, grounding blocks, lightning arrestors, a long copper ground rod, etc., etc. Lots of work! I also want to install a ground loop antenna. Yikes!
Around here the USCG is usually proper in normal conversation, but their Securite and Pan Pan calls are hit or miss. They’re sometimes rushed or trailing off. The CG also seems to use some automated rebroadcasting capability for hourly Securite call repeats, but if the original call is garbled or stepped on the rebroadcasts repeat the interference for hours, days, or weeks.Yea, it's funny, the only people using the absolutely correct, formal radio procedures are the interested amateurs. The "pros," as in USCG, ship captains, lobster and fishermen, harbormasters, et.al., just 'talk.'
In my area on the South end of Michigan, it seems people only monitor channel 16. And that is primarily commercial traffic, making a security notification that they are inbound somewhere or outbound to the lake, calling for bridge lifts along the various waterways, or when the coast guard issues a pan pan or another announcement. There is a ton of commercial junk on channel 16 in my area. But I get yelled at by the Coast Guard if I request a radio check.
No one ever responds on channel 9. No communications on channel 9 at all.
If I know another boat is around, I will hail them directly and request we switch to another channel for a radio check.
Every once in a while, I a close to a large Laker ship and I will hail them to make sure they know where I am and that I am planning to stay out of there way. That also serves as a radio check without getting yelled at.
Most pan pans by the coast guard are spoken so fast, they are unintelligible. This week, I heard a pan pan for my exact area…I listened intently and still could understand that the pan pan was for. They repeated it 15 minutes later and I still could not understand the transmission. Finally, on the 3rd call, to cancel the pan pan I heard them refer to an EPIRB alert. The Coastie read the blinking registration number (not sure if it was for the EPIRB or the boat) in a slow, clear voice, but everything else was rushed and garbled.
Greg
No one ever responds on channel 9. No communications on channel 9 at all.
If I know another boat is around, I will hail them directly and request we switch to another channel for a radio check.
Every once in a while, I a close to a large Laker ship and I will hail them to make sure they know where I am and that I am planning to stay out of there way. That also serves as a radio check without getting yelled at.
Most pan pans by the coast guard are spoken so fast, they are unintelligible. This week, I heard a pan pan for my exact area…I listened intently and still could understand that the pan pan was for. They repeated it 15 minutes later and I still could not understand the transmission. Finally, on the 3rd call, to cancel the pan pan I heard them refer to an EPIRB alert. The Coastie read the blinking registration number (not sure if it was for the EPIRB or the boat) in a slow, clear voice, but everything else was rushed and garbled.
Greg
10 codes were the mainstay of 2 way radio comms. In Maine, the State established a list of 10 Codes for both police and fire. The police codes were extended after 10-80 to allow for local needs. Everyone knows 10-4, most codes use 10-7 for busy , 10-8 for in service, 10-10 busy but subject to call.....When 911 dispatch opened, they combined police and fire dispatchers. The 10 Codes went away in favor of PLAIN TALK... especially good for 10-32... In the fire departments that was engine at the hydrant in the police that was a gun call..
Tracey's writer probably used the local codes.